bernse's bad experience for brunch. The letter follows. *long*

Mrs. Bernse and I had a not so enjoyable visit at the best restaurant in town earlier this month. Please note that while we are not snooty people, we expected top quality service at this place (you sure as hell pay for it), as that is their basis of their reputation (as well as their excellent food) and we recieved it in the past.

Following is a letter I sent to the PR person of the small chain of restaurants outlining our visit. Critique if you will and tell me if I was out of line.

Bear in mind, this is not Denny’s I’m talking about here. This is a place that if you go for dinner with your wife, expect to spend about $100.

Was I out of line and hence being an ass? Or, was I well within line and good thing I wrote this?

Putting myself in the shoes of the snowboardin’ manager>>>

(ow these shoes don’t fit )

The worst thing that can happen in any restaurant is for things to be awry and the management not know it. In other words, what I learned in the business is that the person you must worry about is the one who doesn’t complain … just doesn’t come back.

You have written a well thought out letter, which points out the things which you felt were lacking in their service. I would see it as being very helpful. You did not rant and rave, you were just honest and to the point.

OTOH I’m not sure that folks who run restaurants nowadays were taught, as I was, that service is the thing which will make or break you. Anyone can make a pasta dish (heck, Spaghetti-O’s is a pasta dish). What sets a restaurant apart from others, IMHO, is the service.

Were you well within line? Oh yes. Much nicer than some folks I’ve had to listen to.

My vote? Send the letter !!!

He said, and I quote, “Fish, you know, is difficult to get in Alberta, being in the prairies.”

i really rather enjoyed that line. i guess rivers and creeks are right out of fish. snowboards it would seem, grow like wheat in alberta.

a good letter in all. i like the sum up at the end.

The last impression I would get from that letter was that you were being an ass.

I’ve certainly had worse service at dining establishments in the past (some of which were at places close to, but not quite as ritzy as what you seem to be describing). But that doesn’t mean that the level of service you received is acceptable.

One must keep in mind that those types of places are selling you the entire dining experience - the ambiance, the service, all those little things that make a really great restaraunt more than just a place to get a meal - in addition to the excellent food.

The service you received was obviously below what I would expect the higher-ups at this place would find acceptable, and it would have likely gone unnoticed had somebody not pointed it out to them.

You certainly should send the letter. Its well written and clear. My only concern would be that it is overly long and could stand to be more concise. Presuming that the GM or owner are busy, they may not take the time to read it fullyand in a brief scanning not grasp the magnitude of the problems. The summary however may avert this.

If you’re actually hoping to get a favorable response, perhaps an offer for a free meal (hey, why not IMHO), even though you state otherwise in the note, I’d leave out the detail as to your frequency of patronage as well as the first paragraph outlining your logic in making the 1PM reservation. I believe the second to last paragraph is more than enough on that aspect.

Also, out of curiosity what is the cost of the brunch buffet? Also you mention that this is a follow-up letter. What was the context and subject of the first?

I second that the tone and content is fine. It’s a wee bit long is my only criticism.

I believe$25. The first was just a letter to the generic info email addy of the company requesting a way to contact the owner. The person that responded assured me that it would get to him if I sent it to the same address.

I agree with the critique about it being on the long side, however I already sent it. :slight_smile:

I’ll advise if/when I get a response.

I wouldn’t have paid the bill in the first place.

Personally I think a sub-par brunch that cost $25 is worth sending a letter about. For someone like me, who wouldn’t normally be able to afford to spend that much on just brunch, what you had to deal with was unacceptable

sheesh for 25 bucks they ought to be spooning my food right into my mouth! :wink: For me as a financially challenged college student, I really try to get my money’s worth. If there is a special event in which I would be shelling out that kind of money for brunch (not being cheap mind you, just can’t afford to spend money on stuff like that normally) I sure as heck better be getting 25 dollars worth of food/service/atmosphere. I don’t mind paying more for better things occasionallly, but I always strive to make sure that if I’m going to pay 50% more, it will (hopefully) be 50% better in quality.

Just to do a quick follow up as when I did my last post I was getting ready for work and running a bit late.

To answer a couple of questions or statements:

I suppose I could have refused to pay it. However, I like my approach a bit better by going over the dolt managers’ head. If I would have just not paid it and left, the moron would have thought we were just a couple of snobby assholes and probably left it at that. This way, (hopefully at least) he looks like the ass.

I genuinely have no desire to set foot in that restaurant again, so I am actually hoping the GM or owner does not insist on giving me a gift certificate or the like. If they do, I’ll likely just give it away. We would have actually prefered the Manager to have done nothing with the bill (instead of taking off $4). What he ended up doing was actually slightly insulting to us.

As for leaving out the reasoning behind the 1PM reservation spiel. To be honest, I was debating about including that. I wanted to get across the point that even in the past, with reservations, we’d had to wait. That pisses me off slightly as you can see the reservation book when you walk in and there are only a few reservations (for brunch) written down, yet the restaurant is full. As well, I also wanted to make it clear that we were not there 20 minutes before the brunch closed… although I supposed I could have included something a little shorter in the summary.

Thanks for the positive responses. I will post the response if I get one. Hell, I may even just get sluffed off.

You might have done better to state that you like the place and would like to come back sometime, but don’t feel comfortable any more with the quality of the food or service. You should also have included that you recommended them to friends in the past, but must now recommend to people not to go there. The prospect of future business lost and bad word of mouth might get more results than such a polite explanation.

Frankly, I’d have included a link to this post, and made sure the name and address of the place were prominently mentioned. That’s not such a terrible idea, BTW. You wouldn’t want your fellow dopers to drop a C-note at the place now, would you?

One possibly suggestion: don’t necessarily say that you’re never coming back. It’s been said that if a manager knows a guy isn’t coming back, they won’t do you as well as they will if they think they can save the customer-business relationship.

Just a possibility.

Nope, he doesn’t want to have any Dopers spend money there. He also doesn’t want the Chicago Reader to get involved, so I’m sure he’d give you the name and address of the place if you emailed him. FWIW, he lives in the middle of nowhere, and the only other inhabitants are ravens and skunks. :wink:

Response! It took a while, but they didn’t forget about me after all (or, what I thought more likely, ignore me!)

Sounds sincere enough to me. Mrs. Bernse is out of town for a while, so I’m going to wait to phone until she returns.

Any guesses what he is going to say? My best guess is apologize and perhaps offer a comp meal. Any ideas?

BTW - Ginger, the Ravens are now so big, they ate all the skunks. We now only have even larger Ravens!

Well, just incase anyone is following the saga…

I called the fellow up today. He apologized again and thanked me very much for my comprehensive letter. He said even though I said have no intention of coming back, he would really like my wife and I to come back for a meal on the house as he doesn’t want our last visit as our lasting impression of the restaurant. I told him we’ll take him up on it at a later date.

Great news! Hope all goes well – it would be sad if you had another poor experience.

By all means, go. It sounds like this guy really wants to make it up to you. Beats the times I’ve complained about atrocious service and got a response of “Sucks to be you.”