Whatever your choice, I wanted to post a link to the http://www.gunvault.com/ site. They sell gun safes that can be opened in the dark quickly. They even have one for shotguns- it is a box that protects the trigger, but it pops open to allow you to use it.
-Tcat
I see no double standard. I didn’t mean that having a gun for defense=paranoid, I just was observing how there are a lot of paranoid freaks who feel the need to not only have a gun for protection, but have an extensive array of the latest most lethal assault weapons like some freakin Colombian drug cartel.
I apologize for leaving the word “some” out.
You seem to be implying that I don’t/won’t control my children. Depends on your definition of control, I guess.
I have a 5 year old, who usually does what I tell him and can understand not to play with a gun. Does that mean he’s not going to do it? I’m not going to find out the hard way. I also have a 20-month old boy who is into EVERYTHING. He’s highly unlikely to be out of sight near a gun, but again, I’m not going to find out the hard way.
I didn’t want to get into a gun debate; I am perfectly ok with guns, I just don’t see them being as beneficial as all that, and am leery of excess in their pursuit.
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I have to ask…'zactly what ARE “the latest most lethal assault weapons”?
“most lethal” is kind of an odd term, isn’t it? Anyway, I was thinking mostly of civilian semiautomatic assault weapons, etc., but I’m not an enthusiast, so there may be types of weapons I’m not familiar with.
Hey if you have a gun for defense, use it safely and competently and keep the kids away, good on ya. If you wanna be Rambo or something, please exist far from me.
Gee, I’m surprised no one’s mentioned a 1920’s style Death Ray …
Hey, don’t point those things at me! :DodgesBullets: Hey hey! HEEELLLPPP!!
Really? So who are these freaks? Do you know any of them? Or did you see a Discovery Channel documentary on them?
How bout them militia types? I don’t know any of them, proudly, and I don’t think I saw them in a documentary; they’re pretty well documented elsewhere.
I’m not calling all or even most gun owners paranoid freaks. However, as we can see in this thread that gun fans get really touchy about gun issues, and I really don’t have a dog in that fight. But really, enough of this “who are you calling a paranoid freak” business. I’m calling paranoid freaks paranoid freaks, and unless you’re a paranoid freak, I don’t think calling a paranoid freak a paranoid freak should be much of a concern.
waits for the spokesperson for Paranoid Freaks of America to come rip me a new one
how is that a double standard??? i think that person had a valid point. There’s probably the same chance or greater of your children having some king of accident with the gun than you ever actually needed to use it to defend yourself. Unless you can garantee your kids aint gonna find it one day when they’re messing about, i would tend towards not having a gun.
It’s not a double standard at all. Double standard would be telling people not to have a gun in the house but having one in your house yourself. That’s a double standard.
Anyway, i would suggest to the original poster that the best gun for the novice is a not too powerful one, perhaps the step up from a .22, any more and you might not shot it accurately when you most need to.
It has come to my attention that sawing the barrel of a shotgun off at all is illegal. I have always been under the false impression that it was legal provided the length was at least 18". I have been told this by a police officer several years ago. Apparently he was mistaken or the law has changed.
Suffice it to say, I do not advise anyone to cut the barrel down to any length and that my sheer ignorance on the matter is my only excuse. Please just forget everything I said and if a MOD will delete my entire comment I would appreciate it greatly. I assure y’all it won’t happen again.
Sorry, t-keela
Who says it is illegal? That is news to me. The only law I know of is the 1934 law which requires registration of shotguns shorter than 18 inches.
I dunno, you are the one saying that you dont trust your own children.
I taught all of my children how to handle or not handle all dangerous items by age 3, even how to swim(since we lived on the water). You do what you want, their your kids.
For hundreds of years, my family taught our little children not to play with guns, knives, etc. When we were on the frontier, leaving loaded guns around the house was pretty commonplace with not only us but the neighbors. Can you imagine Daniel Boones, Wyatt Earps, or Davy Crocketts father, etc. not having loaded guns around the house? Yikes! What frontier family ever did NOT have at least one loaded gun in the house? (FYI, little Daniel Boone never did grab a gun and shot his siblings or the neighbor kids)
Anyways, if you dont trust your children, and if your boy, as you say, " gets into everything", then please keep all of your dangerous items in the house locked up, guns, knives, car keys, poisons, prescription drugs, oven cleaner, paint , gasoline, etc. else you might be in for a lot of sorrow. Consider yourself warned.
Although it is in your control to lock up all the dangerous items in your house, you must be esp carefull when your children visit other peoples homes, or when they play with their playmates.
Although you may have all dangerous items locked up in your home, most people dont do that so your child is extremely suceptable to getting into dangerous items at other peoples homes.
It might be better not to let your children visit other peoples homes else it is a(fatal) accident just waiting to happen. Many children who “get into everything” end up killing themselves, or their playmates.
Ive known kids, from ages 5 to 18(who were not taught how to handle dangerous items safely) ended up killing their playmates. In most of those cases, the children, were not at the home of their parents.
Untrained/uncontrolled kids getting into guns, are only one small item. Most accidents happen with other things, knives, poisons, pills, boiling water, etc.
As far as ““when””, or “if”, you train ever your children how to handle dangerous items, is up to you.
Some people never train their kids and shove them out the door at 18 with them having no idea how to handle dangeous items, usu eventually with them ending up with sad endings.
Dunno about all the ethical debates on the issue but here is a site with some crucial practical advice on whats what.
handguns: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm
shotguns: http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/SH00-E.HTM
enjoy
TITLE 27 C.F.R, CHAPTER I, PART 179–MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS
It’s a Federal Regulation, rather than legislation, but as it’s been repeatedly upheld, it has the force of law: No altering (i.e. modifying barrel length, etc.) your weapons unless you’re properly certified. Note: Swapping BATF-approved parts manufactured by another party who does posses proper certification doesn’t appear to fall afoul this regulation, but best you talk to a licensed gunsmith before any such part-swapping.
Another advantage of the shotgun (or rifle) is that if you run out of ammo, the shotgun works pretty well as an impact weapon. Stab the barrel into the guy’s stomach like a spear, then slam the heavy wooden stock across his head a few times.
Returning to the query of the OP, my favorite is one that is no longer manufactured-the Grendel P-10. A top-loading .380 ACP pistol, holding 10 rounds including the chambered round, I’ve found it to be a great day-to-day personal protection carry weapon. If you can find one in a gun store, buy it!
Be safe and be legal. Guns don’t kill people, dumbasses kill people.
12 gauge with bird shot. Inside at close range… Anyway, hopefully the snick-snick of the slide drives the intruder away. I’m a big proponent of dogs and monitored alarms, BTW. I plan on huddling in an interior closet with a phone and whatever firearm I use. My chance of missing when the intruder comes to the closet door is about 0. .45, .357, or 12 gauge to center body mass a couple times should do the job.
However, even thinking about blasting an intruder with bird shot in my bedroon closet makes me really glad my German shepherd barks too much.
Oooohh, yeah! The Grendel P-10 was (is) one of the most elegantly functional examples of the gunmaker’s trade I’ve ever seen. While I’m not much a fan of .380 myself, I’d dearly love to own a Grendel P-10. They’re collectors items, now, sad to say.