Best speech ever (Iraq reality)

[Tuckerfan]

@DevNull

In my best Wile E. voice (No one really liked when he talked, but the specific voice they had him use adds to your caricature of me) :

President Bush, and most of the GOP nowadays is capitulating to the rabid left and even coming up with some leftist policies of its’ own.

1. Farm subsidies

These have been in place, in one form or another, since the founding of this nation.

2. Medicare prescriptions

What’s the matter? You don’t like the idea of promoting the general welfare?

3. Recognizing illegal aliens as having Constitutional rights

So you’d prefer that we just shoot them all?

4. Campaign finance reform bill

And that’s worked out well, hasn’t it? The dollars are rolling in this campaign cycle faster than they ever have before.

5. Willingness to capitulate to the enemy rather than annihilate the enemy

I’m sorry, but I missed where Bush announced our unconditional surrender. Or is that what was meant by that “Mission Accomplished” banner?

6. Environment over economic greatness

Yeah! Who needs clean air, water, or soil when you’re rich!

7. federalization of airport security

Yeah, because those minimum wage rent-a-cops were soooo effective at preventing a bunch of loons armed with box cutters from hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. Oh, wait.

8. Americorps funding

Yeah! What’s up with this? Is he trying to form a more perfect union?

9. education reform

Well, it’s pretty obvious that you’ve not benefitted from our current educational system.

[DevNull]

@Marley23

I don’t want to force you into silence, I want you to shut up because you’re a brainless idiot.

So, you only need declare and judge a person a “brainless idiot” to justify your desire, and vocal pleas, for them to stop talking about something you are not in agreement with.

I do not like your way of thinking.

[Ravenman]

@Frank

That the level of vitriol allowed in GD doesn’t get you to cum anymore, and you find it necessary to move on to the harder stuff?

Someone hand me the mind-bleach. I really, really need it.

[DevNull]

@Frank

That the level of vitriol allowed in GD doesn’t get you to cum anymore, and you find it necessary to move on to the harder stuff?

I do not employ vitriol in my debates. The rules say to not be a jerk.

I must follow the rules.

[Marley23]

@DevNull

So, you only need declare and judge a person a “brainless idiot” to justify your desire, and vocal pleas, for them to stop talking about something you are not in agreement with.

Are you saying I need a court order or something? You’re giving me a lot of material to work with here; I don’t think anything you’ve said in this thread has risen above the level of “moronic.” I’m not of the habit of telling people to fuck off and die. Just when they’re little jerks like you. You don’t actually think you’re going to make me feel bad about telling you you’re an idiot, do you? If you want me to stop saying it, stop being an idiot.

I do not like your way of thinking.

Don’t knock thinking if you haven’t tried it.

[DevNull]

@Tuckerfan

These have been in place, in one form or another, since the founding of this nation.

May 12, 1933 was not the founding date of our nation.

A banner day for socialism, though.

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

Bush is too. It is a leftist ideal.

What’s the matter? You don’t like the idea of promoting the general welfare?

General being the operative word.

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

Bush is too. It is a leftist ideal.

So you’d prefer that we just shoot them all?

Murder is illegal in this country and my preference is no. The laws do not say murdering citizens is against the law, the laws state that murdering humans is against the law.

And that’s worked out well, hasn’t it? The dollars are rolling in this campaign cycle faster than they ever have before.

Promoting a leftist ideal is promoting a leftist ideal whether it fails or succeeds.

I’m sorry, but I missed where Bush announced our unconditional surrender. Or is that what was meant by that “Mission Accomplished” banner?

I did not state complete capitulation. I used the term “willing to capitulate”.

The Mission Accomplished banner meant mission accomplished, I am sure. What mission was it created for?

Yeah! Who needs clean air, water, or soil when you’re rich!

It is still a leftist policy to force the collective into government mandated environmental nation crippling.

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

Bush is too. It is a leftist ideal.

Yeah, because those minimum wage rent-a-cops were soooo effective at preventing a bunch of loons armed with box cutters from hijacking planes and flying them into buildings. Oh, wait.

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

Bush is too. It is a leftist ideal.

Yeah! What’s up with this?

Governmental socializing volunteer work is a socialist ideal.

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

Bush is too. It is a leftist ideal.

Well, it’s pretty obvious that you’ve not benefitted from our current educational system.
[/QUOTE]

I think different so perhaps not.

If I was an idiot, why would you all be so cruel to an idiot?

[Der_Trihs]

@DevNull

5. Willingness to capitulate to the enemy rather than annihilate the enemy

@Diogenes the Cynic

This mostly a list of mainstream, centrist positions with the exception of number 5 which is a position held by nobody on the left or the right and is certainly not held by Bush.

Well, no one that I know of in a public office. I run into quite a few people who do, especially on the Internet. Given the use of the word “annihilate”, I wouldn’t be surprised if DevNull is one of those “nuke the Muslims !” types.

And as for this :

@DevNull

3. Recognizing illegal aliens as having Constitutional rights

You have rights when you cross the border, criminal or not. Accused mass murderers have rights, and even convicted criminals have many rights. Why target illegal aliens as being the only group that has none ?

Let me guess; you’re one of the sort that thinks anyone accused of a crime, no matter how trivial, much less committing one should lose all rights, susceptible
to being abused or tortured or killed at a whim. And you aren’t worried about the consequences because you aren’t a criminal and such things would never apply to you. If you don’t do anything wrong why should you worry, eh ?

@DevNull

If I was an idiot, why would you all be so cruel to an idiot?

Because you are not an idiot, you are a fool and scum. Both are self inflicted problems.

[Ravenman]

I think you’re confusing “leftist” with “centrist.” If most people agree on certain things – education reform, campaign finance reform, etc. – but you don’t, there’s a good chance that you, not society, is the one taking extreme positions.

[Diogenes_the_Cynic]

I see you have no idea what the word “socialist” means either.

How old are you, 16? 17? Have you graduated high school yet?

[DevNull]

@Cervaise

Even light is pulled into a black hole if it strays too close.

Light does not stray. Light follows concrete laws of physics. Just because we are not masters of these laws yet is no reason to foist living qualities on light waves.

[Hentor_the_Barbarian]

@DevNull

In my best Wile E. voice (No one really liked when he talked, but the specific voice they had him use adds to your caricature of me) :

I think it’s the perfect imagery for a myopic dullard who dramatically overestimates his cunning and intellect.

President Bush, and most of the GOP nowadays is capitulating to the rabid left and even coming up with some leftist policies of its’ own.

1. Farm subsidies
2. Medicare prescriptions
3. Recognizing illegal aliens as having Constitutional rights
4. Campaign finance reform bill
5. Willingness to capitulate to the enemy rather than annihilate the enemy
6. Environment over economic greatness
7. federalization of airport security
8. Americorps funding
9. education reform

The most disturbingly leftist act of the Bush administration is what they ignore, rather than what they push for. Make a laundry list of the founders intents and let me know how president Bush’s administration is honoring ANY of them. His administration has gone leftist.

You are demented and sad, and unlike Wile E., not even very good for much amusement. I’m grateful for the belief that Bush is the closest we’ll come in my lifetime to realizing the type of president that you would want.

Presuming that you are here in America, I would invite you to leave my country and find one that suits you better, for your own happiness and peace of mind. Preferrably leaving a cloud of dust and a little sign floating in the air behind you.

[wring]

@Hentor the Barbarian

Presuming that you are here in America, I would invite you to leave my country and find one that suits you better, for your own happiness and peace of mind. Preferrably leaving a cloud of dust and a little sign floating in the air behind you.

Might I suggest one that says “Yikes!?!!?” ?

[Marley23]

Let’s take up a collection and get DevNull some Acme[sup]TM[/sup] Rocket Skates.

[George_Kaplin]

@Devnull

If you think I am powerful enough that your fascist intellectual bullying is needed here, then I can’t help but blush. It was a brilliant OP, wasn’t it? I thought of the trap myself.

Then why is it that, on the forum attached to the website in your profile, it’s referred to as “The Old Post A Clinton Speech Gag”?

It’s pretty clear that you only posted this thread to get a rise out of people and entertain the members of another message board. I guess the only question remaining is, did your gesture curry enough favour with your fellow wingnuts to persuade them to let you be the “target” in their next bukkake fetish tea party?

[kaylasdad99]

In context:

@DevNull

We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently. - TRUE

Is DevNull crediting the Clinton Administration with taking effective and prudent steps to enable the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by his own people (by strengthening the Administration’s engagement with the full range of 1998-era Iraqi opposition forces)?

'Cause it looks like he called that sentence in Clinton’s speech “TRUE”. And if it is true, it’s a damn shame Al Gore never entered the White House to continue that trajectory.

[Marley23]

@George Kaplin

Then why is it that, on the forum attached to the website in your profile, it’s referred to as “The Old Post A Clinton Speech Gag”?

I hope your impending banning was worth it, Dev. It took nine posts before somebody recognized the speech as Clinton’s, and you got maybe two serious answers before that. Was that long enough for you to shoot your load?

You won’t be missed.

[DevNull]

@Tuckerfan

No more so than the Republicans, who are effectively doing the same thing.

If the Democrats are left and most members of the GOP are “effectively doing the same thing” then I submit that the GOP has taken a huge slide to the left.

Okay,then where’s the WMDs, smart guy?

Absense of proof is not the same as proof of absence. The Congressional Authorization for the Use of Military Force in Iraq never stated anything about WMDs. Straw man.

Funny, I’ve not seen About.com, Wikipedia, Senators John D. Rockerfeller, Olympia Snowe, and Chuck Hagel, and The Atlantic Monthly (to name but a few) carrying puppets in a parade.

Me neither. None of those people ever stated president Bush lied, according to my reading.

Because every politico knows on which side their bread is buttered.

So the Democratic controlled Congress with it’s approval ratings at 14% or so is… I dunno… the Democrats getting their bread buttered? At 14%, I am pretty sure that no one has told this session what getting one’s bread buttered means. They seem to have lost everyone but less than half of their base.

[Tuckerfan]

@DevNull

May 12, 1933 was not the founding date of our nation.

Never said it was, but you do know that the government well before that point had tarriffs and subsidies in place to help US farmers and businesses, don’t you? Or do you think that those things didn’t exist until FDR took office?

A banner day for socialism, though.

Actually, socialism’s banner day is May 1st which isn’t celebrated in the US, in case you hadn’t noticed.

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

Well, let me see, if my choice is between more government control of my life and the “joys” of eating potentially tainted food imported from China, I think I speak for 99% of all Americans when I say, “Yes, I am arguing for more government control.”

Bush is too. It is a leftist ideal.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you seem to think it means.

General being the operative word.

As in “not specific” or “not limited to.”

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

As opposed to unelected employees of healthcare corporations who’re more interested in the bottom line than they are anything else? Then yes, yes, I am. If you can offer me an alternative to either of those two choices, I’ll certainly consider it.

Bush is too. It is a leftist ideal.

Again, you keep using that word when you seem to have no idea what it means.

Murder is illegal in this country and my preference is no. The laws do not say murdering citizens is against the law, the laws state that murdering humans is against the law.

And allow me to quote what one of the Founding Fathers once said, “We believe that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” That was written by Thomas Jefferson, and you don’t get any closer to the founding of this nation without swinging nut-to-nut in George Washington’s ballsack. You notice that he didn’t say, “We believe that all men born within the geographical region commonly referred to the colonies of America are created equal and that which we are about to ennumerate applies only to them.” He said “all men,” and he also said, “are endowed by their Creator,” therefore, if we truly believe that, then we should follow the laws laid out by this nation under all circumstances, because if our laws are in line with those of our Creator, then to have one set of laws for us and another set of laws for those we don’t consider to be us, goes against everything this nation was founded upon.

Promoting a leftist ideal is promoting a leftist ideal whether it fails or succeeds.

And how is wanting to ensure that the people we elect to the most powerful offices in the land are honest a “leftist ideal?”

I did not state complete capitulation. I used the term “willing to capitulate”.

Does it matter? When has Bush said that he was willing to surrender?

The Mission Accomplished banner meant mission accomplished, I am sure. What mission was it created for?

You know, the funny thing is, the White House can’t seem to give a straight answer on that one.

It is still a leftist policy to force the collective into government mandated environmental nation crippling.

You know who’s leading the push for more environmental laws? Large businesses. Seems that they don’t like the idea of having to deal with a hodge podge of environmental laws that vary from place to place, they think it would be easier to have one central set of laws with which to deal with. Damned commie pinkos.

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

Let’s see, if my choice is between an environment that’s been made unliveable or government regulations that ensures the air, soil, and water are relatively clean, then yes, yes, I am.

Bush is too.

Actually, he’s not. He’s put special interests ahead of the environment, going so far as to have individuals totally unqualified rewrite government reports to conceal the results of scientific studies which would be economically inconvient for certain industries.

It is a leftist ideal.

You’re a broken record, you know that?

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

If it means that I never have to worry about aircraft filled with innocent men, women, and children being used as missiles, then yes, yes, I am.

Bush is too.

Wrong again. Bush fought the creation of the TSA until the public outcry forced him to back it.

It is a leftist ideal.

By such logic, so is securing our borders and promoting the national defense.

Governmental socializing volunteer work is a socialist ideal.

And if that happened with every volunteer organization, you’d have a point, but it’s not, so you don’t.

Are you arguing for more government control of our lives?

Well, if the choice is between a government established organization and a faithbased organization which recieves government money to tackle issues that the faithbased organization will allow it’s bias to dominate it’s methods, even though those methods have been proven to be ineffective in study after study, then I’ll take the government established organization, thank you very much.

Bush is too. It is a leftist ideal.

No, Bush thinks that it’s fine and dandy to hand out money to religious organizations who teach such fallacies as condoms won’t protect you against HIV. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard any leftist spout such ideas, but then again, I don’t hang around too many leftists, so I’m not an expert.

Well, it’s pretty obvious that you’ve not benefitted from our current educational system.

I think different so perhaps not.

I’ve yet to see any evidence that you’re capable of thought.

If I was an idiot, why would you all be so cruel to an idiot?

If you don’t like people picking on you, then don’t walk out on to the gun range carrying a target.

[woodstockbirdybird]

@George Kaplin

Then why is it that, on the forum attached to the website in your profile, it’s referred to as “The Old Post A Clinton Speech Gag”?

It’s pretty clear that you only posted this thread to get a rise out of people and entertain the members of another message board. I guess the only question remaining is, did your gesture curry enough favour with your fellow wingnuts to persuade them to let you be the “target” in their next bukkake fetish tea party?

Oh, busted! Man, even for a troll, you’re a dumb bitch.

[Revenant_Threshold]

@DevNull

Especially as seeing the charges seem to come from left-wing, moonbat websites,…

…President Bush, and most of the GOP nowadays is capitulating to the rabid left and even coming up with some leftist policies of its’ own…

What interesting thoughts.

I have a short question for you; were I to compare Bush to, say, Hitler and the Nazis, what would your response be? Are they similar at all in terms of basic political idealogy?

Edit: Damn, I see you’re soon possibly to be banned. Could I get a quick answer?