Y’all might not be aware of it, but to Republicans, conservatives and the apolitical, talking to the left is like visiting the planet of humorless literalism.
Hammy:
That was great!
Did you have the Battle hymn of the Republic playing lightly in the background when you wrote that?
Nah, but I did have to climb down from my box of Irish Spring afterwards.
But, by all means, don’t actually deal with the issues raised. Make witty retorts. Divert. Point out shiny objects. Hell, go write about blimps again. Whatever it takes to avoid having to deal with your underlying beliefs and your overwhelming cowardice.
Okay, I didn’t catch any of your humorous intent at all. Similarly, I probably wouldn’t catch any joke that used a racial slur in a similar way. So IMO your attempt at humor fell very flat, and doesn’t justify the usage of such a denigrating word. Further, you could have provided this answer at the time – you were indeed asked why you called her that on multiple occasions.
But still a little thing from several years ago. As a relatively privileged person, I think I have a particular responsibility to avoid adding to these various piles of shit that society throws at women, black people, and others (everyone has this responsibility, IMO, but especially folks as privileged as I am, we who have no excuses to be ignorant of all the relevant history), and from what I can gather you are similarly privileged. So I think you have this same responsibility as well.
You appear to disagree, so that’s probably it. Thanks for trying to explain your views on a difficult subject. I’m glad you’ve chosen not to use such denigrating language in the future, even if it’s for different reasons than I think you should not do so.
Except that all the most prominent political comedy shows and political comedians (SNL, The Daily Show, Colbert, John Oliver, Bill Maher, etc.) lean left pretty hard. In fact, I can’t think of a single right-leaning political comedy show on TV, and only a very few right-leaning comedians who talk politics (Dennis Miller comes to mind). I imagine many or most liberals in the US think the same of talking to conservatives.
Hammy:
I am doing other things and can only engage meaningfully on so many fronts.
Plus, you are not as pleasant or considerate, and conversations go slow with you because a lot of time needs to be spent knocking down straw men and dealing with accusations of cowardice or bigotry or whatever.
Which is fine. You don’t always do it. But you are doing it now, so it’s not fun to engage you seriously at this time.
I get it. It’s rough. And not fun. As I said, defending beliefs that you kinda know are unsupported is tough. It’s a helluva lot harder than a couple throw away quips or rewriting the history of the thread.
But the questions I asked really aren’t that difficult. It may take awhile to strip away your diversions and parse your well-chosen language, but, as I said, I do believe there is merit to the exercise.
Of course, you are more than free to spend more time diverting attention and hiding behind false accusations. But please don’t pretend this is my fault.
Iandyiii:
I was talking about people, not media, and besides you included SNL under leftist humor, and they don’t qualify.
It’s not that I said that I am not going to fo something, it’s more of a tendency than anything hard and fast.
Perhaps I was asked. I did not notice. I was more focused and appalled by the attack on my kid. I think suggesting that I ignored good faith attempts at understanding is false, and I hope that is not the implication. The environment was hostile and not conducive to understanding. Nobody there was doing anything to stop the people that were attacking me and my family in an over the top fashion. This is fine. It’s not there job. I was there willingly, and it was my own mess, but if they were not interested criticizing that, I can’t give a fuck about their criticism of me.
Hamlet:
Thanks for understanding.
Man the most successful conservative comedian is Dennis Miller. This is a bit like if the most successful conservative politician was a state senator in Montana. I think the problem is that you just aren’t very funny, and much of your humor relies on the person telling the joke and the person hearing the joke being really shitty people, so people take you seriously instead.
I agree, it’s not cool to bring anyone’s kids into a discussion like that, but to be honest I use my kids as the baseline for what behaviour/language I find acceptable. Call my daughter an idiot because you disagree with her politics…well I won’t like it, but I’d at least listen to your point so I can rebut it (or maybe agree with it). Call her a slut because of her politics…well that’s just wholly unacceptable.
You’re welcome. After 10+ years on this board, I’m used to hoping for debate and getting nothing of substance, “misunderstandings”, and the rewriting of the history of threads by others. Maybe not from you personally, though.
But if you ever find yourself with a few spare minutes, maybe think about your views of anti-discrimination (both racial and sexual orientation) laws and your view of the cost/benefit analysis of their enactment.
And then if you find yourself with a few minutes nearby your phone or computer and you’re not busy defending silly slurs from years ago or hiding behind quips, maybe re-read our posts in this thread. Then, maybe, just maybe, get some spine and let me know what you honestly think about anti-discrimination laws.
As I said, not talking about the media. I am talking about people.
A conservative humor show is a dangerous proposition. The left uses offendability as a weapon to shut down opposing viewpoints. Showing Republican conservative tendencies in Hollywood is career suicide.
Hamlet:
I don’t want to debate discrimination laws with you.
I really didn’t want to debate a six year old thread with iandyiii, but he was nice and pleasant and made it interesting and challenging.
You are not doing any of those things, so it’s not an attractive proposition.
Throwing a fit and taunting and trying to bully me into it like a spoiled 5 year old is not going to work.
Later,
I’m guessing you didn’t see any of the Gamergate controversies if you think it’s only the left who try to shut down opposing viewpoints.
I get it, it’s not a discussion you want to have. Hell, I got it awhile ago, when, even after I wrangled in the discussion and laid out a couple simple questions for you and you didn’t respond. I knew then you didn’t want to actually debate about anti-discrimination laws, instead you want to hide behind a combination of supposedly witty comments, false accusations, and hurt feelings. I completely and utterly understand this isn’t a discussion you want to have.
I also know the real reason why you don’t want to. Not this pouty “you’re too mean to me” tripe that is straight out of the “liberals are too mean to conservatives, that’s why they lose elections” book.
But keep selling it. I’m sure someone will buy it.
Is bigotry stemming from ignorance better or worse than bigotry stemming from careful thought?
Hmm, I think this thread may be answering this question for me.
But this, for me, is the most burning question in this thread:
I’ll say! Look how that whole “brazen slut” post started:
If anyone takes offence at that, it’s their fault for not understanding Scylla’s background. Not his. Why, where he comes from, this is basically flirting. If it sounds to you like belligerent contempt you probably won’t be able to appreciate the ironic, witty subtlety of his argument here, and you’d likely overlook the masterful use of language entirely:
The tragedy is that by this point you’re probably so riled up by your unflexible approach to the associations of Scylla’s language that you’ll likely mistake this perfectly constructed and really well-intentioned metaphor as ugly contempt for women who disagree with Scylla:
Now, of course its likely (practically a certainty) that some of the women who did think this issue was a big deal (and were thus easily manipulate dolts akin to abused and exploited sex workers, yadda yadda) were posting in that very thread. I think it’s worth pointing out now that it’s unlikely in the extreme that this idea had ever occured to Scylla, still less the obvious implication that he was thus directly insulting posters in what many would consider to fairly gross terms. As we discover below, Scylla has very strong opinions about the propriety of using derogatory sexual terms to refer to specific women. (Some might say he sees the cultural and repressive associations of this language as hard and built in.)
Let’s all take a moment now to think of Scylla, and the wounding shock he felt when people made some totally unjustified and dogmatic assumptions about what he really meant when he posted the above, and concluded - so falsely! - that he was being deliberately offensive in some way.
Luckily of course, he comes from a background where insults are just noise, so the frankly unjustified response was all water off a duck’s back.
But no!
“The environment was hostile, and not conducive to understanding.” Never were truer or sadder words written. Quite how the environment came to be hostile, and just how the positive atmosphere of good-faith exploration of opposing ideas that Scylla had worked so diligently to create and nurture had so speedily evaporated, are mysteries we shall never truly plumb.
In other words,
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If you’re going to come into a thread like Billy Big-balls and play the “I’m just forthright, plain-spoken; I use my words my way and if you’re upset that’s your problem, not mine” card and then turn around and play the “You’re all being terribly mean so I can’t possibly be expected to face up to your criticism” card when the atmosphere inexplicably turns sour.
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“I was just being ironic”? No, you were being crudely offensive about women to own the libs, and it worked better than you thought. At least own it.
Conservatives don’t do comedy cuz liberals will be mean to them?:rolleyes::rolleyes:
That’s some wild snowflakery right there.
What if this pleasant and considerate poster asked you to answer those questions, ok?
Cool?