Look, we’ve got our nuts and you’ve got yours. But we don’t let ours drive the bus. Case closed.
My understanding was that you were trying to offer a rational reason to be conservative, and rational conservative arguments. That would answering the subject of this thread.
If you were instead trying to say “but liberals are the real bad guys,” and that was your entire point, then it doesn’t have anything to do with this thread. Rather than being rational, you would be merely using the rhetorical tactic of steering the conversation away from the original topic. (For liberals, this is often like shooting fish in a barrel. Say something we consider wrong, and we feel the need to correct you.)
iiandyiiii is sticking to the original topic. Do there exist some people on left who have dangerous ideas? Of course. But none of them are in power. On the other hand, on the right, the dangerous people are running the asylum. Due to this discrepancy, it is irrational to treat both sides as the same. None of those “crazy college students” is calling the shots in the Democratic Party, but the authoritarian racists are in charge of the Republican party. What counts as conservative now is conspiracy theory level, and this is true of higher ups who are actually in power.
As for the Electoral college and mob rule: neither are really conservative or liberal values. Though I will say your appeal to the authority of the Federalist papers is not all that convincing to liberals: we don’t hold them to be sacrosanct. Lots of things are different from what the Founding Founders wanted, and a lot of those things are good.
If you want to argue that the Electoral college is good thing, or that Congress not representing the will of the people can be a good thing, then you cannot appeal to some old dead men. It’s not as if they were experts who did a bunch of experiments to see what was better. They were often wrong.
“Yeah, but Trump” is a perfect answer because he’s a real racist, who has hired an administration full of racists and kleptocrats, and he has real power.
You said in a previous post that the crazy, hateful left is taking over – how? What branch of government do they control? They don’t control the judiciary. They can’t even get a member nominated to the judiciary when they do have the White House because the republitards control the Senate. The Republicans dominate state-level governments.
Or sell the tires off the bus.
To be fair, trying to dump your tires in Mexico and demanding that they pay for them isn’t technically selling.
You’ll probably find a lot more ways to say 'THE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE KIDS WHO ARE WEAK AND SPINELESS ARE GOING TO VIOLENTLY OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT" than you will to say what’s actually positive about your position as a conservative.
This thread died for a while, but a big part of it was statistics on violence caused by extremists on the left vs extremists on the right. The FBI Director just testified the following to Congress:
“In terms of the number of arrests, we have through the third quarter of this fiscal year, we had about 100 arrests on the international terrorism side, which includes the homegrown violent terrorism,” he told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday. “But we’ve also had just about the same number, again, don’t quote me to the exact digit, but on the domestic terrorism side and I will say, that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we’ve investigated, are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence, it includes other things as well.”
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/domestic-terror-white-supremacy-chris-wray
So according to the FBI, the majority of domestic terrorism cases are motivated by white supremacist and related ideologies.
but…but…but…I thought Antifa was the dominate terror group in America right now?
Well combine that with the consensus opinion that all conservative ideology is rooted in racism, and you’ve got enough evidence to win in 2020.
That consensus is only arising because the self-proclaimed conservatives on this board appear to be unable to offer any rebuttal to it.
The pattern seems to be that if you ask a conservative a question he doesn’t like, he responds by attacking you for asking the question. This raises the suspicion that the conservative wasn’t able to answer the question.
If people are saying that all conservative ideology is rooted in racism, then conservatives could quickly shut down the argument by offering examples of conservative ideology that aren’t rooted in racism. When they don’t - or can’t - do so, everyone else is going to draw the obvious conclusion.