I am so good to ‘snip’ the part I was not responding to.
I actually hit it twice before I snapped.* :smack:
Well, for all you cynical doubters here:
California takes steps toward officially recognizing Bigfoot
California may soon have an official mythical creature — and naturally, it’s Bigfoot. Assemblymember Chris Rogers, who represents a stretch of the North Coast that has long been considered Sasquatch territory, introduced Assembly Bill 666 on Feb. 14, 2025. The bill aims to designate Bigfoot as the state’s official cryptid, a term for creatures that some people believe to exist despite a lack of proof. Rogers’ district spans Del Norte, Humboldt, Mendocino, Sonoma and Trinity counties, a region known as the epicenter of Bigfoot lore.
https://www.sfgate.com/northcoast/article/california-takes-steps-toward-officially-20175812.php
Also, walk across a yielding forest floor littered with sticks and debris - you’ll naturally pick up your feet more or you’ll trip.
A tad bittersweet to see this after the recent announcement that the Bigfoot Discovery Museum in Felton is closing.
The latest print edition of the UK version of Esquire has a rather good article on sightings of Bigfoot in the UK. Yes, really! Of course, as it points out, those are all utterly implausible. Britain is probably the country least likely to have a Bigfoot population - too densely populated, no real wildernesses, lots of CCTV and everyone has a mobile phone. All too obviously, no one is actually seeing Bigfoot. Although the article doesn’t quite make this point, this is therefore the perfect control sample. The British evidence is much the same as that from elsewhere. Which therefore tends to suggest that the witnesses elsewhere aren’t seeing Bigfoot either.
We all love our pet legends but, as Carl Sagan wisely opined, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” and, even after all of these years, we haven’t come remotely close to producing that.
The Yeti was a leading pick for the Utah NHL club’s team name, until the stinkers at Yeti Coolers refused to share the name.
I’m boycotting those bozos.
As someone who has spent a lot of time tramping around in forests, I can attest that this is true.
There is a Bigfoot sub on Reddit. Those people are loons. Someone once posted that a good friend’s father had been killed by a bigfoot. “Oh cool”, I said playing along, “What was his name? I want to look up his obit”. Well, predicably, there wasn’t an obit, or a news mention of his death because the government is trying to cover up the existence of Bigfoot. “Um, why does the government care?” Blah, blah, blah, conspiracy reasons.
As a long time backpacker, I have discovered a skull of just about every animal out there. The common ones of course deer, rabbit mice, etc but also bear (a couple), all kinds of birds including hawks and even an eagle. And untold thousands of random animal bones.
If there has been a viable breeding population in the North America for tens of thousands of years, and given all of the explorers, hikers and hunters in the woods, it’s just not possible they would not have left traces of their presence through scat, bones, habitation or sleeping areas that would have been discovered.
I have been backpacking in the southwest and discovered hundreds of ruins and old dwellings. These are probably thousands of years old. And it’s not hard to do. The average perception is that they are rare but they are not. Especially now with the advent of Google maps.
Hearing a howl in the woods is not proof that Bigfoot could exist. Period.
It’s interesting reading the wiki on The Patterson-Gimlin Film that even experts have disagreeing opinions on the suit, some saying that it’s really well made, and other equally dismissive of the quality.
One youtuber some years ago noted the ‘shin rise angle’ of 73º for Bigfoot compared to shin rise angle of normal people of 52º, and how hard it would be for a normal person to do that. I thought that was an interesting take of attempting to show that the critter was real.
I didn’t realise notice this is a zombie thread (I think you mentioned that shin angle thing upthread) - the video seems pretty flawed in its methodology - comparing humans walking on level pavement to the footage of the supposed cryptid waking over a forest floor.
Like I mentioned, the Redditors on the Bigfoot sub consider this film the Holy Grail of “proof”. They will claim to their dying breath that there is NO WAY we had the technology (their words) to build a “realistic” (again, their words) suit that could match the thing we see in that film.
So how far back to the stone age were we in 1967 (the year the Patterson film was released)?
- 1967 saw the most orbital launches of the 20th century.
- The United States National Space Science Data Center recorded 172 spacecraft placed into orbit in 1967.
- Apollo 4, the first flight of the Saturn V rocket, took off in 1967.
Yeah, building a rubber monkey suit was prolly just out of our grasp. Regardless, there any number of people in the know that claim it was a hoax. Including the guy who made and sold him the suit, his wife, his friends, and Bob Heironimus - the guy who was more than likely in that suit.
The funny thing is, despite dying on Patterson Film hill, they will hand wave away any of the other much more convincing Bigfoot videos. Cult of Bigfoot, I guess.
I recently read and enjoyed The Secret History of Bigfoot. The author spends time with folks in various Bigfoot communities, he maintains an neutral perspective for the most part but his cynicism does slip in occasionally.
I remember when there used to be an occasional bigfoot thread here but they were hard to search for because we had a poster named Martian Bigfoot. I see that he cganged his name to Don’t Panic and hasn’t posted since 2019.
More power to him if he sells a few books but let’s face it - there is not one shred of proof that this thing exists. Not one bone, not one hair, no poop, not a single DNA sample. Not one clear photo, no non-jerky film of video footage. Hell, there isn’t even a credible footprint. The only ones looking like they have been carved out of flat boards. There are no creases, no pressure ridges, no deformities - nothing to indicate the prints were made by a living, locomoting being.
By contrast, the Vaquita is the rarest animal in the world and the rarest marine mammal on the planet. They live in the Gulf of Mexico. There are estimated to be only ten - 10 ! - in existence, and yet researchers have snapped crystal clear photos of them. There are 10 in all of the Gulf and we have photos.
It’s a fun tale but the existence of Bigfoot can’t be taken seriously.
We have also kept Vaquitas in captivity before they became so rare, so not nearly the poster child for an elusive animal. That would be the Saola, maybe, discovered in 1992 in Vietnam.
My favorite story was about a guy who spent several years in the Himalayas, looking for evidence of the Yeti. He was never able to prove the existence of a large apelike creature.
But, with the cast of a footprint, and DNA analysis of a hair sample, he was able to prove that brown bears were not extinct in Nepal.
But in his efforts did he find any high quality thermal coffee mugs or French presses littering the snow?
I believe it’s just the opposite, how many rare Bigfoots have we had in captivity? The photos of the Vaquitas I was referring to were taken in the wild when there only supposedly 10 in existence.
The vaquita is not only one of the rarest animals, it is apparently also one of the cutest.
I can say with authority, I know this personally, Bigfoot believers are NUTS!
