The Senate can choose to impose a penalty on an impeached politician of barring the person for another federal office.
Correct. Article I, Section 3.
Being indicted for a crime isn’t a bar to anything. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that.
ETA: Should’ve refreshed sooner, I see Exapno was there waaaaay ahead of me!
I made no statements of fact, it is my opinion based on about a dozen full blown Dems I have talked about this with. The traditional democratic doctrine is growing as far apart from the ultra left/progressive as Trump is moving away from Reagan’s Republicans.
At this point, I am not sure if the Ocasio-Cortez movement is any better than Trump’s. I despise them both for VERY different reasons.
Universal health care, higher minimum wage, higher taxes on the rich, increased emphasis on green energy and reduction in fossil fuel usage, and social justice (LGBTQ rights, civil/voting rights, opposing racism and bigotry, etc.) have been core parts of the “traditional” Democratic party doctrine for decades. There’s disagreement on the best way to achieve those core goals, but your assertions above strike me as highly contrary to the facts.
Yes it appears your bar is significantly lower than mine. For example, a lot of these democratic candidates, Harris especially, dont come close to decent. Others like Gabbard and Sanders do.
LOL.
In case you’re actually interested in some sort of discussion on this, you are incorrect. Some folks think that some of the things you have advocated (like relying on the hope of charity to take care of those whose care would be unprofitable, or opposing civil rights laws, just for a couple of examples) are profoundly immoral/indecent. Thus it’s not about “lower” or higher bars, but rather that our standards of morality/decency are profoundly different.
It can be difficult to comprehend that others may think in very different ways from yourself, but hopefully this helps you understand this.
Btw…politics are so screwed up in this country…I would bet 95% of us here could raise Trumps approval rating with our hands tied behind our backs. I’m dead serious.
“Donnie. Baby. Just appear reasonable. Make a series of moves over time to make yourself appear more Presidential. The bar has been set so low that it will be easy. Tomorrow admit that you spend too much time on Twitter and you’ll use it only for non-toxic means. Next week, make some kind of anti-war gesture. ANY KIND…Look Donnie, right now the Democratic platform is ‘Just be Anti-Trump’. By appearing more rational, you will force them to appear more and more irrational as they oppose anything you say.”
If Trump could take rational advice, he wouldn’t be Trump.
Have you talked to a dozen full blown Dems who say that they would vote for Trump over the Democratic candidate in 2020? Or not vote at all, and allow Trump to win by default?
Because that’s what we’re talking about. I swore I would never vote for Hillary Clinton, and then when it came down to it, I had to vote for her when confronted with the alternative.
I know of no Democrat who at this stage is saying that they will not support a Democrat for President. Are you saying that you know people who truly believe that it would be better to have Trump for another four years than to have a progressive in office?
Look at it from another angle…what has the Dem party done to convince the Sitter-outers, the Jill Stein voters, the ‘Bernie bros’ to vote this time? Are you solely counting on “Ughhhh…Trump sucks, I gots to vote him out”? Cause IMHO that effect is not as great as many seem to believe.
I was just responding to the OP, who seems think that the social/progressive movement is driving away moderate/centrist Democrats (and offered up a dozen Democrats as examples).
How to win over progressive voters is a separate question.
Bullshit.
It is the patriotic duty of every voter who doesn’t hate America to vote for the Democratic Party candidate for every elected position in the country, and to do so consistently until the Republican Party no longer exists.
Once that task is complete, we will see what is still needful wrt ending the existence of the Democratic Party.
And no Republican clears it.
What I’ve never understood is that why is it that no matter how far to the right the GOP does, they never alienate voters but the democrats have to avoid moving to the left for fear of alienating voters.
Trump was very polarizing, he still got more votes than Romney. The GOP is a neofascist party at this point, they still get 60-65 million votes in elections.
If the democrats become true progressives, I’d assume they’d still get 60-65 million votes just like the GOP does.
I don’t think you quite understand what the point was.
Cite?
My bar is based on how much initiation of state violence is permissible. On this metric, your bar is much much lower based on your preferred policies.
You’ve generally been incredibly inaccurate when you’ve tried to state my preferred policies, so you’ll excuse me if this strikes me as an information-free assertion.
Pro-tip for Will: People might take you slightly more seriously if you could hoist your petard on a more sensical meme than “state violence.”
As someone who has had some … quibbles … with the IRS, I’ll say that getting them to answer the phone has been a much bigger problem than their brandishing of firearms. 
Really? You appear to be ignoring or being unaware of the Iraq invasion, the support for governments such as those of Honduras and Costa Rica, the twisting of protests against the police violence against citizens into a false claim that the protests are disrespectful toward the military, the refusal to condemn actual violence when carried out by far-right extremists, etc.
As noted by** iiandyiiii**, your standards (and claims of violence) are “different.”