Yeah, yeah - talk.
And when they are in office they can do more than talk.
This place is such an echo chamber.
Go back and read some prediction threads from 2016 and see how well they panned out.
If I am wrong, you can happily gloat when we are all hanging upside down in the dungeon.
You mean all the ones about how Trump was going to grow into the office and “become Presidential”?
No, how he was going to lock up Clinton, and build a wall and have Mexico pay for it. And replace the ACA, etc.
You say this, and you’re not wrong; it’s not like Trump is going to be able to mess with the Constitution itself, or with the 3000-plus counties that record births. But I also didn’t think Roe v Wade would be repealed, either. Why should US vs Wong Kim Ark be any different?
My US passport expires in 2028. I’m not exactly worried, especially since whatever they do is less likely to affect renewals than new passport applications (and mostly like couldn’t be retroactive at all), but I’m not sanguine, either.
The man who is now President-Elect of the USA has stated publicly on more than one occasion that he wants my citizenship revoked. Imagine what that does to a person. Hint: it doesn’t make me more patriotic or trustful of the government.
I 100% agree that he’s an odious piece of shit, and I hate his mere existence.
But the Dopers who think he’s going to arrest and jail everyone who’s ever been mean to him, or deploy the army to stop people on the street and demand “PAPERS PLEASE!” just need to get a grip.
Another front has been opened to revoke of citizenship
https://thehill.com/policy/international/5629349-ohio-moreno-us-dual-citizenship/
That’s a can of worms and I don’t see how it flies. On top of the question about retroactive effect (i.e. what happens to someone who got their second passport ten years ago?), there’s a significant financial element.
I am very close to completing the process of acquiring a new passport, and I’ve looked into this a few times. Currently, if an American acquires a second nationality and wants to voluntarily renounce one’s US citizenship, one is subjected to a thorough audit, and presented with a huge bill representing the next several years of one’s total expected tax obligation as the price of departure. In my personal case, it would be low six figures. It’s prohibitive.
If this measure passes, and my US citizenship is involuntarily stripped, do these assholes think they can still compel me to pony up the exit fee? I can’t imagine they’d be willing to sacrifice the revenue simply to indulge their sense of spite. Not to mention, again, the retroactive question from above, and the impossibility of extracting the penalty from people years after the fact.
Or maybe — most likely — they simply haven’t thought it through, and once better-informed policy wonks explain the details, the proposal will quietly die.
So … performance art? Stupidity? Or — most likely — both?
And if I refused to submit a renunciation of either foreign citizenship? What could they do? My children are also dual citizens living in the US. I guess they could compel them. Also SCOTUS once ruled such laws unconstitutional. While it is true that they have no respect for precedent, they would have to come up with some rationale.
Also, does signing a document “renouncing” your foreign citizenship actually do anything? I would assume the US can’t take away anyone’s foreign citizenship, only the country that granted it can do that. And I can imagine some countries could just say “We don’t recognize that document you signed, as far as we’re concerned you’re still a citizen.”
I guess the US could punish someone if they catch them using a foreign passport while also claiming US citizenship, though.
I’m not really sure how they could - US citizens always use their US passport to enter the US. They might use their Italian passport to enter Italy , but thre won’t be any US CBP officers there.
I agree that the US can’t do anything about foreign citizenships - I can sign a paper in the US renouncing my X citizenship but there’s no way the US can force X to acknowledge that and treat me as a non-citizen. Not to mention that many people didn’t even apply for any of the citizenships they hold - my cousins are both American and Icelandic citizens from birth, since their father was an American Citizen when they were born and their mother was an Icelandic citizen. They may have needed to obtain documentation of that citizenship from the country they weren’t born in but the citizenship itself didn’t require an application. How would the US even know that the one with a US birth certificate was a dual citizen?
That’s my wife’s situation. She was born in Iran, and came to the US as a child at the dawn of the Revolution. She later naturalized as an American. Iran rejects that naturalization. She hasn’t been back since the mid 80s, but they officially regarded her as an Iranian citizen, full stop, and no doubt still do.
Not that this will pass in a million years, but this seems like the easiest way out of US citizenship ever. I assume it’s just performative nonsense that will waste everyone’s time and die in committee. I read an article in Newsweek suggesting that it’s unconstitutional to strip Americans of their citizenship involuntarily, so it sounds like this is the same level of difficulty as overturning birthright citizenship.
Until some time in the late 90s or 00s, the US did automatically revoke the citizenship of anyone who applied for and received another citizenship. (Note the wording: Israel had a policy of conferring citizenship on Americans who moved there, without any application needed.) Two of my children became Canadian citizens between 18 (the minimum age for applying) and 21 (the minimum age for losing citizenship) and they were fine. But then Scotus outlawed this automatic removal, saying in effect that you can lose US citizenship only if you intentionally renounced. They could of course reverse themselves, but it seems to be a very silly point to hang themselves on.
When I acquired Canadian citizenship in my 20s, by having a Canadian parent, I was advised that since I wasn’t naturalizing as a Canadian (I didn’t, for example, have to pass a test or swear an oath of allegiance), it wouldn’t affect my American citizenship. I assume it was the same for your children.
No, it wasn’t the same. Aside from the one born here, the other two naturalized here before we did, since they could at 18 while could not lose US citizenship unless they naturalized after age 21. They did have to take a citizenship test/
How very.,… umm….
Soviet.