Black history... "MONTH"?

Is anyone a bit baffled by black history month? I must admit that I am. Maybe I am just tired of it. I work in a public building and I am oh so tired of looking at pictures on the walls of the likes of Michael Jackson, Harriet Tubman, Fredrick Douglas, Jesse Jackson et al.

If passed persecution is the benchmark for devoting a full month of observance, then why not have American Indian month? They were persecuted in our early history. We don’t have Chinese month and they were virtual slaves working for a penny a day on the railroads in the early 1800s. The Japanese were thrown into prison camps in ww2 and we don’t have Japanese history month. I could go one but I won’t.

I mean I am for recognition of blacks who have done great things… but a month?? What other American thing do we observe for a friggin month?? Why not devote one day to black history, make it a national holiday, turn out the schools and stay home from work and hell even make a flag if necessary but a month is too long.
And…yes I am a white person and no…I don’t consider myself a racist pig. But does a month seem a little over the top to anyone else?


“I’m the best there is Fats. Even if you beat me, I’m still the best.”
(Paul Newman in The Hustler)

No.

Next question?

Well, if it makes you feel better, this is the shortest month. Even with the leap day thrown in.


Have you voted for your favorite, huggable Mullinator today?

Actually, it seems a little stupid to me. I would prefer that the study of the accomplishments of African-Americans and their contributions to U.S. history be incorporated into the general plan for the teaching of U.S. history.

I think the problem is less our dedicating a month to black history than we don’t dedicate any regular time to any history that doesn’t concern white and male. Our history curriculum needs to be severely overhauled so that it reflects the contributions made by everyone: male, female, white, black, indian chinese, etc. But the thing most disburbing about our history is that it tends to mention all the glories and push the more unpleasant incidences into dark corners. There was a book published a few years back, “Lies My Teacher Told Me (I forget who the author was) that discussed all the things that we like to keep hidden about our past (do we teach about the lynchings in school. No, I don’t mean to first graders but high schoolers should be ready to hear the truth). No one likes to air dirty laundry but I believe that whoever doesn’t learn from the past is condemned to repeat it. It’s damned difficult to learn from the past if you don’t know what it is.

Now there’s a plan Ike.


“I’m the best there is Fats. Even if you beat me, I’m still the best.”
(Paul Newman in The Hustler)

Cleosia-

Our founding fathers were old and white, hence when we study US history, thats what we get. World history is taught as well, and covers EVERYONE else.

If thats not good enough, thats what college is for, focus on any group you want.

But I must agree, under the banner of equality this time, if they get a month, everyone gets a month. If they get a channel, everyone gets a channel. Fair is fair.

I have to side with Ike here. :smiley:

Cleosia:
I don’t know when you were in school, but I was in high school in the late '80s and, trust me, we learned plenty of non-white male stuff. Yes, we learned about the lynchings. One of my textbooks for American History was Eyes on the Prize by Juan Williams (great read…have you checked it out?). In 11th grade World History, one “little bit” of required reading was The Rise & Fall of the Third Reich…not exactly sweeping that unpleasant event under the carpet. These are just a couple examples, but we did have whole units devoted to ONLY minority/women’s issues/people/events.

High School curriculum has changed a lot over the past few decades. I think now there seems to be an overcompensation and things are not being taught just because they are about white males. Take a look at the cultural idiocy thread over in MPSIMS and you’ll get an idea of what kind of people are being turned out of our classrooms because we are so focused on teaching PC information INSTEAD of actual useful stuff like geography. Maybe if my Social Studies class had focused more on where the countries in Africa were and not so much on teaching us five words in Swahili, I’d be a little more able to follow the news stories we hear out of that continent today.

StarvinMarvin:

Our founding fathers may have been old and white, but a lot has happened since the 1700’s…

C3:

I don’t know where you went to school, but a lot of school boards (the ones who decide what books are used in the school system) still pick bland books over ones that may show their region in an unpleasant light. Human nature, after all. Who wants to teach, “Yeah, we were a bunch of pricks back then, kids.”


Bitch by Birth

Cleosia:
Your school board where you live has this problem with its curriculum? Do you know this for a fact or are you just making an assumption? Based on a book you read (when was that published, by the way?)?
Have you really investigated what the curriculum in the schools in your district is? If so, and if you’ve found it lacking, what steps have you taken to voice your concerns? If you haven’t, why are you so sure that Black History Month is the solution to the problem? If you’re sure there is a problem.

I think we all know that her blanket generalizations show that she in fact HASNT.

I just went over to the local high school a bit ealry to pick um my nephew. Just glancing through the history books they use, I can see you arent right.

Its very diverse, almost overly so.

Well, just to turn up the flame, I’d better let you know that EVERY month is dedicated to some damn history or other. Off the top of my head I can name Women’s history month, (march), and there’s one for native and pacific islander history, and so on. There’s a link out there somewhere, but I’m too damn lazy right now to go look for it.


All you need to start an asylum is an empty room and the right kind of people.

I’m with UkeIke. History should be taught as a whole.

Of course, that’s impossible from a practical standpoint, you just have to make some divisions and adopt some type of perspective.

Some options for divisions:

  1. Geographic - teach the course of history as it relates to some physical region of the globe. For example, European history.
  2. Political - the history of some particular nation. For example, American history.
  3. Chronological - dividing history into discreet blocks of time. For example, 20th Century history.
  4. Ethnic - the history of some identifiable cultural or biological grouping of people. For example, African American history.

There are others.

Some possible persectives:

  1. Political history; told from the point of view of changing governments and rulers.
  2. Technological history; told from the point of view of changing human capacities as technology appears, spreads, is lost, is applied, etc.
  3. Social history; told from the point of view of the ordinary daily life of common people.
  4. The “Great Man” approach; told from the point of view that certain individuals arise who shape the course of history and whose lives in some sense define history.

There are others.

In high school, history used to be taught almost exclusively using a combination political/chronological division and from a political/Great Man perspective. This was simply because the most easily obtainable and interpretable historical material tends to deal with the ruling classes. Social history is a relatively new thing: “old school” medievalists, for example, often don’t give a damn about how the peasants really felt about the church in the tenth century. They were only peasants, after all, and all the documents of the day were written by nobility and clergy, so that’s what medieval historians should concern themselves with. Similar effects carry over to other areas.

My impression is that most of the claims of “hidden history” that the powers that be “don’t want us to know” are essentially just dissatisfaction with the perspectives and divisions used in High School classes. If you assume that a kid is supposed to somehow get a realistic grasp of human history in High School, you can legitimately argue that they should learn history from all the angles. Of course, you’d have to be an idiot to think that’s ever going to happen.

I was a substitute teacher in a high school for a week teaching Algebra; we spent an entire week on the goddamned straight line. “Y=mX+b! I’ve explained it a hundred times! What the hell don’t you understand? AHHHHHHHHHHH!”. And that was a private prep school.

Teachers have to adopt some perspective that covers a realistic amount of history from a high enough level that broad trends are visible, and it has to be easily assimilated by adolescents. Traditional approaches did this, admittedly at the expense of many marginalized groups. But it wasn’t necessarily a conspiracy to “hide the truth”.

It is not clear that the more inclusive approaches now being offered are producing a student body that has a historical method they can use with efficacy. (I’m not talking about a set of social positions that can be justified with history, here - the PC game - but rather an intellectual handle on how to approach history from any scholarly method at all).

I think the best approach is to modify the traditional high school history stream to include mention of marginalized groups, especially in those places where they made significant contributions to the larger movements going on. Fredrick Douglass would be included; Crispus Attucks would not.

On a tangent-- at my old school, the American History didn’t teach about Japanese Internment camps in the unit about WW2. None of my friends knew anything about that until I told them.

–John


Wo de qianzi shi Zhongwende.

Ok, since I just got out of high school in Texas (and I’ve heard that many schools follow Texas’ lead in picking school books) let me throw my two cents in.

We learned about the advancements and inventions and ideas etc that came from not just white Protestant men, but from everyone.

We learned about the things that some people would prefer to sweep under the rugs like racial prejudice, lynchings, sexism, the Japanese internment camps, etc.

We also had two presentations singing the praises of blacks and hispanics. I’m sorry, but I don’t feel that these are necessary. We don’t learn anything during the presentaion that we don’t learn in class, and it takes up class time (especially since we usually end up going to see the presentaion in every single class). But, some people like them. So, I feel, that if we want to have a special history presentation, why can’t we just have one that celebrates American History? One that talks about the struggles and triumphs of each minority and of America as a whole. Not only would this give a much broader view, one that includes everyone, but we’d only have ONE instead of one for each minority that the school districts feels is important.

I’ve always felt a little bitter about these presentations, because I’m not included. My family worked hard and struggled as poor Catholic (Irish/Italian) immigrants and yet they are not included. It’s not fair.


Cessandra

I would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids!

Cess, in several states the Irish potato famine is part of the required curriculum. I guess Texas isn’t one of them!

I really can’t get worked up one way or another about this topic but I do remember a few years ago Walgreen’s gave out a bunch of coupons to “celebrate black history month” and among them were coupons for hair straightener and skin bleach.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

aha, playing the poor aggrieved white person having to struggle through a whole month.

I’m not buying.

Get over it.

What are you talking about? I said that we weren’t included in the presentations, not that they don’t talk about us at all.


Cessandra

I would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids!

another “i don’t know whether to laugh or cry”…
my college campus celebrated black history month ok…posters, presentations, whatever. fine. all good. my dorm had a night where the dinner was a special ‘black history dinner’ or something like that. served were fried catfish, ribs, collard greens, fried chicken, basically everything stereotypically black/soul food. not too trouble some, but kind of irratating. the normal, run of the mill, everyday food was there too. but when i went to check out, there was a god awful looking 2.5 to 3 foot tall drum i think that was in the shape of a large head. it looked like a tribal drum, something carved and imported direct from africa (as to whether it was wood, i don’t know). so i checked out, and the clerk asked me if i wanted a free cup. there were dozens of 10 or 12 oz plastic green and red cups with western illinois university and black history month written on it. and did i mention the all of the banners hung up in all their black/yellow/green/red glory? a little over the top, i think. i wouldn’t mind giving cups out, or banners, but the head got me. and all this was one night. the banners can stay up all month, and that wouldn’t be bothersome. but one night, and that was it. gone.
the way i see it, if you’re going to do something, spread it out. don’t blow your load on one night.

and another thing, totally off topic. grits. i’m in illinois. why do you serve grits for breakfast every fucking morning? maybe if i was in georgia or alabama, but christ! isn’t that against the law above the mason dixon line? it should be…