Dibble, you still haven’t explained what you meant by that “60+” comment.
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I meant I’d have thought you’d have to be quite a bit older than me, to have been a Marvel comics fan in the Spooner years (I wasn’t a fan of marvel at the time, BTW) and yet effectively unaware of a popular X-Men cartoon a mere 5 years later. You said it was likely only popular amongst people a generation younger than you, but it turns out I’m the same generation as you, and yet it was popular with me and my friends.
Not my point, (though I did remember that as a complaint when the first thor movie was coming out from one of my acquaintances. Reviewing the material, I am not sure what he was complaining about now.)
My point is is that you are saying that minor deviations from the comics should be causing people to reject the movies. I am saying that the vast majority of people are only slightly familiar with the comics, and therefore “keeping canon” is not all that necessary.
I also like to point to the fact that the comics are constantly changing themselves, so to keep a proper homage to the comics, the movies would need to change things.
Hulk isn’t nonverbal, just terse.
If Hulk has said anything (other than “Hulk smash” in a dream sequence looking in the mirror) in any of the movies, I don’t recall it.
Huh. IME there indeed was a huge difference between being in grade school and junior high, vs. being in college, despite that being a “mere 5 year” span. Although for me, Saturday morning cartoons were abandoned years earlier than comics were. I don’t think I watched cartoons (other than the Simpsons; I’m talking about non-primetime animation) after about fifth grade. But obviously YMMV.
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“Puny god” in Avengers.
A bunch of other stuff in Thor Ragnarok.
Wow, I do not remember “puny god”. But I will take your word for it! And I’m no even more excited to see “Ragnarok”, even if they don’t have the Valkyrie of my dreams. 
I would still submit though that this was a problem with all the solo Hulk movies. Maybe they are starting to realize it.
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But they haven’t been ignoring the plot developments and character changes since you stopped reading comics. Pretty much exactly the opposite: They’re literally naming these films after major comics events from the last ten to fifteen years. “Age of Ultron” was a comic event in 2013. “Civil War” came out in 2006. “Winter Soldier” in 2004. The backstories to a lot of movie characters have been wildly changed from what you were reading, as well - Hawkeye is a reformed criminal from a circus-themed syndicate in the original comics, not a government black ops guy with an unconventional weapon specialty. Vision was built by Tony Stark, not by Ultron - who himself was also built by Tony Stark, not by Hank Pym. “Baron” Zemo’s just an Eastern European mercenary, not a Nazi aristocrat who had an unfortunate glue-based accident. The Mandarin was a burned-out actor, not a diabolical and racially problematic tyrant with magic space rings. Falcon’s a military vet, not a reformed pimp.
The Marvel movies borrow liberally from whichever era of the comics that works best for the movie they’re making, but if there’s one era they return to the most, over any other period in the comics, it’s not the '80s: it’s the early 2000s.
So the saving grace of this clusterfuck of a last few pages is that I’m learning a lot about comics. But…did you switch the order above? In your first example, the only one I’m really clear on, Hawkeye in the comics is a circus shooter, and in the movies he’s black ops. In all your other examples, is the first backstory from the comics and the second from the movies? Because that makes the movies way goofier than I thought they were, and I already thought they were goofy.
You’re right, I flipped the order after the first one. Sorry for the confusion.
No problem–just wanted to make sure I understood!
Um, no offense, but are you even watching the full movies? That’s literally the main bit where the primary villain of Avengers is taken down.
Only the second solo Hulk film is in the MCU. And they’ve been showing one evolving character arc with Hulk since then.
Miller, I bow to your obviously encyclopedic expertise on the Marvel Universe. I was once a “Marvel Zombie”, as that blogger called it (buying all the Marvel titles, regardless of how much or how little I liked them); but that time has long passed.
So let me fall back to a much more defensible position. It seems to me there were some strange turns some characters took over the couple decades before the MCU began, which were not incorporated into the movies. I may have made a mistake in assuming the comics had irrevocably become different from what they once were as a result; that one blog and its disgruntlement with lack of continuity suggests that they had outlandish “events” to juice sales but then hit the “reset button” or abandoned continuity altogether. (It also appears they have emulated an element of DC continuity that was one of the reasons I never liked DC: various alternate universes, complete with numbers like “Earth 1999”.)
So it would sure seem that whatever storylines they took from 21st century runs, it was from periods in the various characters’ publication histories when they had been returned to a fairly classic status quo, so the movies would not be too jarring to people like me who stopped reading the comics decades earlier. Is that fair?
For anyone who might ask for a specific example, I only had glancing contact with the comics after the mid-‘80s, but I peeked at the Hulk more than most as it had been my childhood favorite. And with the Hulk, more than most titles, I’m familiar with a lot of the older run as well, due to buying the reprint comics.
So for me, although there was obviously detours into weirdness like Jarella, the basic idea of Hulk was always pretty straightforward: after the origin story, he would spend a lot of time jumping through the desert, with Thunderbolt Ross (and sometimes Doc Samson) chasing him, ensuring the periodic battle with helicopters and tanks that Hulk would make short work of. And that seemed more or less preserved in the movies.
But somewhere along the way, maybe in the ‘90s, I saw a Hulk comic in which he had gone back to being grey and had developed normal intelligence and a sarcastic, wisecracking mien. And he went by the name “Joe Fixit”! That is REALLY weird. And there is no sign whatsoever that they are going anywhere near it in the MCU.
Yes, I watched the whole movie. It’s one of the few truly great comic book movies IMO (which “Panther” is not). And I loved the scene when the Hulk slams Loki around like a rag doll. But I didn’t remember that he used words. It was several years ago, and I just saw it the once in the theatre.
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You need to watch Ragnarok, is all I’m going to say.
It was the whole punchline (no pun intended). “I am a GOD!” pound pound “Puny god!”
If that didn’t stick in your memory, I can see how you missed all the “science-fictiony” references in those Wikipedia articles (or my post about them) - you probably saw the words then immediately forgot you saw them 
. But it’s not doing your arguments any good.
I know you’re younger than 60, but have you considered getting tested, all the same?
Can confirm: “Puny God” is the absolute most quotable line in a movie full of extremely quotable lines. Might wanna rewatch that scene, because it really is great. 
I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re really happy to opine on a subject that you’re not particularly well informed about.
My mental acuity was actually tested just this past October: https://youtu.be/R_yUeb8NF0s
Thanks ever so much for the faux concern, though!
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Holy shit. Did he really just hold up a copy of his high school test scores? Did this forty-year-old sad, lonely little man just tell us proudly that he retook a test designed for high school students, and think we’d all clap our hands excitedly and tell him what a smart lad he is?
Dude, the Shagnasty position is already taken on this board.
LHOD, you’re nothing if not disingenuous. Which accusation, btw, is a compliment to your intelligence, because I know you don’t do these things out of sheer stupidity.
I’m quite sure you’re aware that I’m not out to curry favor with you or your ilk. If I wanted to do so, it would be so incredibly easy—and so dull and unsatisfying. Of course, I’d need a new identity (since the exact same posts you’d greet favorably coming from a newcomer would get quite a different reception now, with my screen name attached to them). And I’m not out to violate the prohibition against sock puppetry, so that supposition will have to remain theoretical.
But you know damn well that while I don’t troll per se (as I don’t say anything I don’t truly believe, and I don’t just pick fights with everyone about everything—I’m perfectly willing to compliment someone for a good idea or funny remark), what I relish most is pulling a Bruce Lee move in verbal combat, taking down wave after wave of attackers with ease.
So no: what I thought would happen is that you and perhaps some others would wince and mutter “Fuck, Dibble, did you have to give him that opening?” and then put on a brave face and bluster, more or less like you did.
Although that wasn’t your best work. Did you really not realize your third sentence contradicted your second? Did you not care enough to go back and change it, or are you the one with severe memory issues—within the same paragraph?
Moving on…I like to be honest, so I must admit I’m actually OVER forty, like “in my forties”. I did retake that test, so I could charge rich parents fifty bucks per forty-five minute session to prep their kids for the test. And I’m taking the SAT this Saturday—wish me luck!
I am not sad, however. I’m actually one of the happiest people you’ll ever meet. (This is your cue to insist that I’m actually just desperately insisting this is true to cover for my deep depression and angst.) Lonely? I certainly wasn’t at all up until this past fall, when we moved to a new state. I miss my old friends in Missouri, but I don’t miss that state otherwise and I’m working on finding a new social circle up here in Minnesota. I was starting to do that by playing tennis with some locals in the fall, but then it started to get all cold and shit. Hopefully in the spring, if that ever comes!
Nor am I “little”. I’m a fairly big guy. Oh, but maybe that’s an insinuation about my “manhood”? A little Googling and a ruler indicate that I’m smack in the middle of “average” as far as that goes.
You were right in a previous comment, though: I AM arrogant. With good reason.
Anything else you want cleared up, LMK. I’m an open book!
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Shagnasty, I apologize for thinking you were this board’s most hilariously delusional blowhard.