I hope this doesn’t offend anybody
A problem is that whites and Latinos get rolled together, so how badly would this skew results?
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Do those whitey numbers include Wall Street bankers who cheated the entire society, GWB’s associates who managed the same through Goldman Sacks’ outrageous decision to bail out shareholders and not mortgage holders, or those who made $billions through the misery of an illegal war in Iraq?
While there is some good evidence that black people commit a disproportionate (to the population) amount of crime, there is also good evidence that police arrest and prosecutors convict a disproportionate (to the criminals) number of black people for all crimes. It’s pretty hard to untangle the two. And, indeed, there’s no reason to believe they are independent from each other. Racially disparate policing is almost certainly a contributing factor to crime rates–among many other mechanisms, by imprisoning lots of parents.
Well yes, they do.
For a lot of reasons which we can discuss.
More blacks live in poverty which tends to drive crime regardless of race. Drugs are illegal which creates a massive black market (no pun intended) which drives violent crime.
Lots of other reasons too but my opinion is that the two above are the prime drivers for crime (regardless of race) in America.
Sorry…I am very new here.
This is interesting. However when to applied to somewhere like Ferguson, there seems to be no bias: VDARE.com
You might want to consider reading sources other than white supremacists when trying to ascertain the truth about racism.
Adjusting for Hispanic Whites would likely reduce the number of murders committed by Whites and increase the magnitude of the interracial murder divide, since Hispanics have lower average incomes and a host of other poor environmental factors that are correlated with murder.
I must say I like how you linked to Daily Kos and Virginia Dare as your sources.
I’m confused, should I have killed 13 people this year? If so I’m way behind.
(I’m a whithe guy.)
In this instance, I’m only vaguely offended by the misuse of statistics. The figures in the OP might suggest a correlation - they’re a long way from suggesting a causation. Also, if this is supposed to lead to some kind of genetics argument, the terms “black” and “white” will need to be clearly defined and some effort made to control for environmental factors like poverty.
I have no problems believing that statistically, blacks commit more crimes than whites. I have a problem if someone were to attribute such disparities to race rather than economic and social well-being.
Yeah, but if I donate $50 to that site, I can get two, (THAT’S TWO!!!) Confederate battle flags. So, there’s that!
As for the OP, and giving you the benefit of the doubt, it seem that your thread has been moved to Great Debates. In this forum we debate great ideas. Did you have a great idea that you wanted to debate? If not, we can get a mod to move it a forum like IMHO or MPSIMS. There, you can just ask silly questions or post things that you want to share without having to defend them. In this forum, people are going to rip you apart if you want to defend an idea like “blacks are inherently more criminal than whites”. Don’t think that has not been “debated” here before. We get it about every 6 months or so.
Just curious, how do crime rates compare between whites, Asians, Latinos, and blacks in the same economic range?
Indeed. Heck, screw “race” and just call the cohorts “Subculture A” and “Subculture B”. If B has more poverty and fewer opportunities for advancement and faces discrimination both blatant and subtle at higher rates than A, then… sure, one could imagine more crimes being committed by members of B, though even that might be a tad suspect if law enforcement is disproportionately inclined to go after members of B and members of B are less likely to be able to afford quality legal counsel that could get charges against them reduced, dropped or dismissed.
In any case, if the comparison between A and B is ever going to be about genetics, find a possible genetic marker first that occurs in A but not B (or the reverse) and then study its possible effect.
Why do these conversations so often lead back to “it’s not genetic”? I’m perfectly willing to accept that Subculture B’s crime rates are largely or entirely a result of culture, socio-economic status, and other factors. I guess I don’t understand this message board’s bristling about genetics when no one (that I’ve seen in this thread at least) has even suggested it was because of genetics. I don’t think proving it’s not genetic makes it “better” or really adds any meaning or value to the conversation. What am I missing?
Join Date Aug 2015, that’s why. Do you know how many race-baiters we get on this MB every year who come here to educumate us about how blacks are genetically inferior in some way? A lot. That’s how many. And when you get someone linking to racist cites to back up their ideas, well… you do the math.
I asked the OP to clarify what this thread was about, giving him the benefit of the doubt. If he does so in a reasonable amount of time, then no harm and no foul. But right now, this thread is hanging out there with a bit of stench on it.
Fair enough. I’m not around here enough to have a good feel for the historical suffering this board has had to face. I do agree that the OP doesn’t present a good argument.
Because liberals and most ‘conservatives’ have accepted a priori that all racial groups are absolutely equal in all ways and consequently genetics cannot possibly explain group behavior. And as such people go out of their way to desperately signal how stridently they reject genetics as a possible cause of human criminality.
And, for what it’s worth, genetic markers of crime have been found. And unsurprisingly, they occur more commonly in blacks than in Whites.