Bob Barr drinking John McCain's milkshake?

None of that has to do with moving to the left.

If they had tried to make America more like all the rest of the world’s industrial democracies, that would have been moving to the left.

Why would anyone vote for that repentant scumbag? Ron Paul makes for a much cleaner protest vote. McCain offers tangible results.

Hard to dispute. McCain has been on both sides of just about every major issue. Therefore, he must have been right, at least at some point, on every major issue. Obama, on the other hand, has been pretty one-sided, issue wise, which puts him very much at the disadvantage. He may be wrong on every issue, having only one position. And even if he is *right * on every such issue, he still is no more right the McCain, who was also right on every issue. (Wrong as well, of course, but no reason to drag a bunch of nuance into this…)

Simple logic, really…

Can’t argue with any of that. Well said! If the GOP did that, I’m not sure I’d stay Democrat.

Thanks for well- wishes. It’s only really bad for a couple hours after popping the things. It was the first day’s dosage, which is always massive. Each day will be a bit less until I’m weaned in a couple weeks.

Back on topic, I think it may be the case that Barr is just a symptom of what’s wrong with McCain’s campaign. Talking heads on MSNBC are saying that they’ve never seen so much infighting among staffers as among those he has hired. They say that it seems he just can’t control them. Not a good quality in a president, for sure.

The Republican party lost fiscal responsibility under Reagan, partially regained it under Bush the Elder, then lost it completely under Bush the Younger. They’ve always been the party of fear though … at least throughout my lifetime. If there’s no a big scary enemy to focus (distract?) people’s attention, Republicans just don’t do well.

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When’s the last time the GOP has been that party, when they’ve actually been in power?

Yeppers. But that’s been the GOP as far back as I can remember. Fear of the brown folks, fear of the Commies, fear of the yellow hordes, fear of the black folks, fear of the Commies some more. And the spending’s always been there - on wars and defense, of course, rather than on useful stuff to make people’s lives better.

Just like the mythical proto-Democratic party of the “my party left me” ex-Dems hasn’t existed in at least 40 years, the same is true of the imaginary GOP of the small-government types.

About the only thing you’re right about is that Reagan was optimistic. No offense, but optimism isn’t a plan, though it helps win elections.

I have to agree that I’ve never seen the “truly conservative” Republican party of which you speak. Even before I was born, there was Dick Nixon and Tail-gunner Joe on HUAC.

And you know, things don’t magically get better every time you deregulate them. In fact, at since 1980, it would appear to be the opposite. The problem is many of these companies are often too big, too geographically spread-out, and too scientifically complex for organizations smaller than the government to regulate. Then there’s infrastructure. I came across a scary stat on TV a few weeks ago, and unfortunately I can’t remember it precisely, but some stunningly high number of dams in this country are over 50 years old and in need of maintenance. Many of them are in pretty high earthquake risk zones, not all of which are nearly as well known as the west coastal region.

In these days of anyone who gets elected having to promise lower taxes, how the hell are we going to get these necessary functions done?

Gotta go for the day now. Sorry.

I get the gist of what you’re saying, but I don’t know that government is necessarily scientifically competent. For me, the problem with deregulation is how it is implemented. The very things that should be regulated — force and deception — aren’t, while things that shouldn’t be — plastic versus metal trash cans — are.

Just how much more optimistic can you get than a bunch of people who invade a county and decide we don’t need a Plan B in case the ‘they’ll shower us with rose petals in gratitude’ Plan A doesn’t work out?

It took me a long time to figure out why I couldn’t win at roulette by placing a bet on every number. Of course, I was ten then.

McCain-supporter & Barr-loather here, who has to admit that the recent GQ interview with Barr showed him to be much altered & more thoughtful, now against the War on Drugs as it now stands, and more nuanced on DOMA (he’s against the Federal defining of marriage, but for states rights to reject other states’ gay marriages). Of course, he looked pretty smart compared to the interviewer who didn’t seem to comprehend that the U.S. system is a constitutional democratic republic. Anyway, my point is that if Barr gets some actual publicity, he might draw a significant amount to truly spoil McCain’s chances.

Btw, the interview did not address my reason for hating Barr- his fight against religious freedom in the U.S. military.