You Catholics don’t seem to adhere to any one belief on that, fortunately for yours truly.
Okay, I work in higher ed so I was curious about their degree plans, too. A lot of it seems pretty much in line with my fundie upbringing (swiftly discarded upon reaching adulthood, I should add), like having separate ministry degrees for men and women, since of course women aren’t allowed to have any sort of real leadership roles in the church. I did think it was really cool that students can earn a degree in missionary aviation–how many places can you get a degree in evangelism that also teaches you to build an airplane and become a certified pilot?? Pretty cool if you’re into that sort of thing.
I guess my POV is, however much you might personally disagree with their philosophy, they cater to a unique slice of the population that WANTS to learn about biology without evolution. Since they’re not accredited, their students don’t receive any state or federal financial aid from our tax dollars, so I say live and let live.
One of my high school teachers got arrested for kissing his wife goodbye on the BJU campus. Apparently there’s a rule about male and female students keeping an arm’s length distance apart – even if they are married!
The final exam for some students is to be given a disassembled engine and a basic toolbox, and told they just crashlanded in a remote jungle. Get the plane running or die.
Of course, the scary part is that BJU thinks that Moody is “liberal.” :rolleyes:
I wonder if this rule is relaxed if someone needed mouth-to-mouth resussication - and the only person available to do it was of the opposite sex? Imagine being arrested for saving someone’s life!
I know there are strict rules at BJU regarding inter-sex contact, but arrested? What Greenville or South Carolina law were these people breaking that the police could arrest them?
It was the campus police.
Spectre of Pithecanthropus writes:
> Their math program may indeed be weak, but it’s certainly not true that all
> college prep high school students take trig. At least, it wasn’t for me; I
> managed to get into UC San Diego without having taken trig.
On second thought, it wasn’t really true that every college prep student in my year in high school took trig. Most did though. I think 25 or 30 of the 77 students in my year were doing college prep courses, and 15 or 20 took trig. Certainly any of them who had hopes of doing anything math- or science-related in college did. (At my high school this meant basically someone who wanted to teach math or science at the high school level, for reasons that I will explain.) But, in any case, it appears to me that Bob Jones has people who want to major in math or science who didn’t even take trig in high school.
missbunny writes:
> I got into numerous very-decent universities without ever taking a math class
> beyond first-year geometry in the 10th grade. Actually, I flunked it in the 10th
> grade and had to repeat in the 11th. No other math classes after that. I
> graduated high school in 1982, for reference, from a middle-class not-poor
> pretty decent public high school in a mid-sized town in CT.
How did you manage to get into a good university when you had flunked a course? If I had flunked a course in high school my life would have been over. I would have had a hard time getting into a junior college. As it was, I had an incredibly hard time getting into a top college. I had SAT’s of 719 Verbal, 772 Math (which was probably about 150 points higher in total than anyone else in the history of my high school), a grade point average of 3.63 with no grades below a B, and a lot of extracurricular activities and I still only managed to get into a first-rate college because I had an iron will and was willing to ignore what everybody told me. Most people at my high school thought that I was a snob and a traitor for even dreaming of going to a top college. They believed that the absolute best anybody from my high school could even hope for was to go to a second-rate state university and come back and teach high school. At least one college interviewer, though he didn’t say so, clearly thought it was crazy for anyone from my crummy high school to want to go to a first-rate university.
Wendell, the admissions procedure at a Ivy-type school (where I assume you went) is VERY different from most schools. The majority of state universities in the US admit over 75% of all applicants. 2.75 and a 950 SAT will get you into Average State U.
I had no problem getting into 2 colleges having never taken Trig or Calculus.
This view, to me, is cute and quaint much like a child who believes in Santa Claus long after the evidence it to the contrary. Evolution(ism) is a faith, no more proven than Creation(ism) and should be treated as such. This poster’s view may be accepted in the “scientific” world today, but it won’t be a few hundred years from now. Note: I am not saying Creationism is true or that it will be accepted in the future. I’m simply saying that the view posted by quelquechose will no longer hold weight.
There will be no “evolution vs. creationism” debate in this thread. If you want to debate this, take it to Great Debates.
What RickJay said. For the large majority of jobs in the US that are enabled or assisted by a college education, when you get out into the real world job market coming from a non-accredited (as long as its “real” and not a degree mill) , fundamentalist oriented college has no negative impact, and in some things like entry level finance, banking and law enforcement, may actually be a plus re the “reliability and honesty” perception of it’s graduates.
Think for a moment about how many real world jobs necessiate a non-creationist perspective in order to be performed effectively. It’s pretty few.
Well sure, but that doesn’t apply to everyone.
> I got into numerous very-decent universities without ever taking a math class
> beyond first-year geometry in the 10th grade. Actually, I flunked it in the 10th
> grade and had to repeat in the 11th. No other math classes after that. I
> graduated high school in 1982, for reference, from a middle-class not-poor
> pretty decent public high school in a mid-sized town in CT.
How did you manage to get into a good university when you had flunked a course? .
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Maybe they struck the “F” after she successfully repeated the course? Or maybe she did well enough in everything else to compensate. All the University of California cared about was that you met certain course requirements during your high school years, and that your overall GPA in those courses was acceptable. I had to repeat Algebra I myself, but was more than able to compensate with my other grades.
However, the move beyond entry-level may be hindered by difficulty in, for instance, being able to get into a Graduate School for your MBA in finance. But yes, if a private employer simply wants you to have a BA essentially for the “punched ticket” aspect, or to show he won’t have to start off by teaching you what side o fthe computer keyboard is up, it’s just fine, as long as, like astro says, you DID do the work (more on this later).
Of course, you COULD get an accredited degree from quite a few fine Christian-based institutions that ARE accredited and don’t cost that much more than BJU, and thus end up far ahead utilitywise… but hey, it’s your life.
There are certain job fields where you DO want accreditation – many occupations that require both a field-specific degree AND licensing by a state regulatory entity (Engineers, Public School Teachers, Health Professions, etc.) will have as a requirement to sit for the test that your degree be from an accredited or “recognized” school. Similarly many State Service positions. BUT, the board/state personnel office may have its own list of accreditation and “recognition” sources not just limited to the usual academics accreditors.
The biggie job-killer in accreditation/credentialing is less often having an inferior degree per se, than it is trying to smoke over the HR people about it. If the job posting explicitly requires a degree from an accredited college, you should know better than to bother if that’s not the case. And if your degree is from a “prestigious non accredited institution” headquartered at a “MailBoxes Etc.” in Bimini, that recruits thru e-mail SPAM and gives out a Master’s in 3 weeks for $3,500 plus copies of two examples of business cases you have compiled, BJU grads should laugh at you.
No, the “F” remained on my transcript. That would be a D for the first quarter, then three Fs, then an F for the year. The reason I got into good schools was probably my 780 verbal SAT, numerous scholastic and music awards, three varsity letters, award-winning classical piano-playing, and fantastic essays on my applications. It must have been those things because I was only in the top-third (lowwwww top-third) of my class (they invented the word “underachiever” to descibe me) and only got a 410 math SAT. I also refused to take any AP classes or even the “accelerated” English class that the “smart” kids were supposed to take. And I was going to be a college student who would need a LOT of financial aid, so it wasn’t that they were happy to let in a rich kid or a legacy.
So flunking one class doesn’t have to mean the end of the world. High-schoolers of today, don’t despair! YOu might still have a chance. 
Hmmm… in googling “BJU accreditation” this sweet little item popped up