Except here, the Op is talking mostly about a certain well known male politician. In fact, his Op seems more than a bit politically motivated.
However, Beefcake and admiring male celebrities is also quite common. Let’s not be sexist. I think allowing comments about either sex of a celebrity is Ok. As long as they are indeed- a celebrity who chose that road.
Since we’re in agreement that comments about a person’s intelligence, even negative ones, should be allowed, I’m not sure why you think we are arguing.
That’s a lot broader than the OP, and if that’s what you want, I don’t agree at all. No fat-shaming is one thing, no comments on off-board people’s clothing? Fuck that noise.
Ok, after thought and reading through the comments, and even reading my own suggestions about where such a rule would lead, it’s clear to me that we don’t need this rule here, it would be difficult to moderate, and restrain people and comment unnecessarily. I do think we should generally not do it, but then I’d quite like a pony too.
How is that responsive to what I said? “Except” what, exactly? You asked why (in certain contexts) it’s unacceptable to talk about a woman’s appearance, when there might be more socially acceptable leeway to talk about a man’s appearance.
I know nothing about the OP’s political views, but this assumption seems unwarranted based on what he’s said here. I disagree with OP, but he seems to be raising the issue in good faith as a general principle of discourse.
The more I think about this, the more I think it would be a can of worms to try and enforce. It’s unfortunate that so many posters here think they are being clever by constantly calling certain politicians by names that reflect some aspect of their appearance. But I think the cure would be worse than the disease.
Quotes from the Op:For instance, if there’s a fat politician, you may have a problem with their policies, …Let’s be honest, the problem people have with Trump is not that he has small hands…Trump is probably a bad example (and I am not suggesting this change to protect Trump at all) but for everyone who makes a choice to look like something, there are people who are forced to look like that through no fault of their own - perhaps a spray tan to cover blotchy skin. …If a politician were to go on twitter and announce that they think Mexicans are rapists, I don’t think the correct response is to mock their hair…“The Orangutan In Chief”…I can’t believe Trump has been saying those things about Hillary! His own face is so ugly that when he was born, the midwife slapped his mother!
In other words, every example of the body shaming he is complaining about was about Trump. Not about any other politician or celebrity. *Just *Trump.
So it seemed to me he didnt like complaints about Trumps appearance.
Now, he has said that isnt his motivation, and so OK, I accept that.
But when you give a half dozen examples and they are all about one person, I think a inference is reasonable.
Agreed. I don’t think it would be enforceable, and really have no idea how they could word such a rule in any case. But on the other side I can see why such body shaming comments might and probably do upset a lot of people. In the end I think the ‘don’t be a jerk’ rule is still going to be the catch all to keep the board in line. I’ve noticed mods passing out some…well, not warnings but basically messages to back off…lately for some stuff related to the OP. I think that’s the best that can be done.
But not necessarily the interpretation you gave it. OP could quite reasonably be considering the complaints of various posters who are just pro-Trump, and asking if there really is some reasonable and consistent principle that we should apply in the community. It’s not as though “if you can say this about Trump why can’t I say that about Michelle Obama” or similar hasn’t been a frequently raised issue.
Yeah, fair. As I looked more into it this afternoon, it’s became obvious that the only real current target of this sort of thing is Trump - fat shaming and other body-shaming just doesn’t happen that often on the board, as far as I could tell.
Well, I don’t. I have no problems with complaints about Trump’s policies, his unprofessionalism or his creepy behaviour towards his daughter. There so much to complain about! But I don’t think body-shaming anyone is ok, and it’s certainly not ok to do it just because I don’t like the person.
I should have come up with more non-Trump examples though.