I know I’d kill people for a lot less than having them growing inside my body.
Or she’ll simply claim a miscarriage. In fact that would probably be another affect of outlawing abortion: a rise in “miscarriages.”
Will she have to claim a miscarriage, or anything at all? The fifth amendment won’t be tossed when the ban comes in, will it?
It won’t be women being prosecuted so much, as their doctors, I would imagine.
Plenty, huh?
You provide us a highly biased site with a handful of—by their own words----“anecdotes.”
So tell me, how would define “plenty” in the larger context?
We had a few hundred year experiment with some of the things you’ve mentioned.
I can tell you it ended badly.
If you wouldn’t mind, what is it about the pro-life mentality that suggests these cases are rare, i.e. that a significant portion of abortion opponents won’t behave this way?
You know, I don’t know. I’m not a spokesmen for the pro-life group.
From my own life experiences it occurs to me that most people have deeply held ideals of one sort or another. From my POV, they become convictions when they are tested and affirmed.
But it is no surprise that many people stumble–whether that be fidelity or honesty or abortion.
So let me ask you…are you able to provide a credible site to support the implication that “significant portion” of abortion opponents who have unplanned pregnancies have abortions?
And isn’t true that if you could provide such a cite (and we both know that no such site exists) it wold only expose–at best—a level of hypocrisy among their ranks?
IOW, if I cheat on my wife (especially after proclaiming that infidelity is evil…) is that tantamount to saying that I endorse infidelity? My infidelity may expose my hypocrisy and lack of character, but it doesn’t abort (silly pun intended) the validity of the position.
Yes.
It’s actually tantamount to you saying that you think you are above morality and believe that you have the right to subjugate the ‘lower’ people to adhere to the morality you yourself spurn.
Heck, there are a million or so abortions a year in the U.S. out of a population pool of, what, eighty million women aged 13-45? There’s gotta be quite the overlap.
Anyway, my point was that the anecdotes provided in the cite don’t at all strike me as unusual or unlikely. It’s not like citing an anecdote about an alien abduction.
We will punish and rehabilitate them afterwards.
I don’t favour the death penalty on abortionists and abortion getters and jail terms means that as long as there’s enough convincing evidence I’m fine with people being convicted.
Inference, my friend. If a woman consumes a drug and there’s no baby nine months later anyone smart enough to participate in society will be smart enough to guess what happened. And if it’s in the US we’ll have the medical records and the pharmaceutical records.
We have plenty of unpopular laws. Did a lot of Americans like the Civil Rights Act? No but we’ll force them down their throats. Besides if it’s made a crime I think a large majority of people will stop having abortions, look at the USA in 1955, most women didn’t have abortions.
I’d say half and a half for the states. Also I’d favour a Mann Act (prohibiting transfering women across state lines for prostitution) like law for abortion prohibiting women from going across state lines for abortions.
See above.
Sigh, while I have some respect for people who are pro-choice because they’re certain that abortion is not murder, your type of moral relativists who’ll do whatever “works” is disgusting and almost wretched. You’re like the character Mr. Thompson or the other “Looters” from Atlas Shrugged.
Ever hear of HIPAA? It’s not so easy obtaining medical records – you’d have to find a reason to supoena them – you can’t just go looking into them willy-nilly.
You’d have to prove it WAS an abortion as well, and not just a miscarriage. You’d also have to prove that she was pregnant, and that you KNEW she was pregnant. Good luck.
Cite?
Convicting on “inference” requires discarding the reasonable doubt standard. Issuing a subpoena for medical records before it’s even know a crime has occurred destroys medical confidentiality. And if a woman, doctor or pharmacist refuses to testify about what they may or may not have done and are convicted on “inference”, forget the fifth amendment.
And in 1955, many blacks couldn’t vote. It took the, duh, Civil Rights Acts to change that. A far better analogy for an abortion ban would be Prohibition, where on dubious moral grounds, Americans were legally deprived of something they wanted. I suggest you read up on how well that worked.
How charmingly neanderthal. Instead of turning the U.S. into a police state, you can turn it into fifty little police states. Do the border guards get watchtowers? Will barbed wire be strung along the state borders?
You’re the one advocating intrusive governmental interference into the lives of individuals, just like Wesley Mouch whining that he needed wider powers. I invite any American woman to tell you to get the hell out of her way.
I suppose I cannot prove all abortions that happened but it’s the same thing I suppose with medical marijuana usage. Much marijuana usage is actually for non-medical purposes.
Sorry can’t find statistics by Google search.
Then you have no case to prosecute.
Then if you cannot back your statements up, perhaps you shouldn’t be using them as arguments.
Yes but that’s life I suppose at least until we develop technology to monitor every human being with indvidual AIs and scan their brain waves constantly.
You can choose to believe that you’re joking, but if such tech existed, someone would be agitating for its use and probably on the same “think of the children!” basis. It’s only with that pesky eternal vigilance stuff that we keep such efforts at bay.
So basically your idea of a more moral society is a surveillance society that would make 1984 look liberal?
That and if such technology existed, one could create artificial wombs, and perhaps some women would then opt to have their’s up for adoption. (Mind you, abortion should still, and always remain legal)
ETA: Der Trihs, I think he’s being sarcastic.