Big Mike had a 100 pound weight advantage over Lee. While I have much respect for Bruce…I have some training in Shorin Ryu and boxing as well. 100 pounds of muscle and ability too! Sorry, in a fight, Tyson (in his prime) kicks ass over Lee on his best day.
and BTW the Ali vs. Inoki (judo master) was apparently a sham…came about in '76 same year as “Rocky vs. Thunderlips (Hulk Hogan)” Ali won but, like I said, it wasn’t for real either…
Well actually Ali vs. Inoki was “Real” as in not stage.(As the story goes neither side could determine who should win.) However it was kind of a farce. Since it was real and Inoki knew that one punch would dim his lights he basically layed on his back, swivled around and constantly kick Ali in the shins. It was more draw than anything else.(Since Ali couldn’t punch Inoki at all but Inoki couldn’t press the fight.)
With padded gloves and boxing rules…Tyson
A street fight…Lee, hands down.
Tyson was also a streetfighter in his youth.
In a streetfight:
Tyson is attacked relentlessly from a distance with lighting fast kicks, Lee circles like a tiger to throw a chinese punch at Tysons head. Tyson counters by grabbing Lees hand and with a punch stuns Lee. Tyson continuing to jab Lee, lets Lees hands free and backs up. Tyson cocks his arm and releases the final blow to Lees head ending the fight.
I thought Bruce Lee was dead ?
Damn you T. Slothrop for stealing my joke!
(Good sig material there.)
What joke ?
I heard that it was originally going to be a work, but Inoki wouldn’t go for it.
I think it was too boring not to be on the level. The rules were that once Ali grabbed a rope, they had to break. Ali therefore hugged the ropes and Inoki sat on his butt and nobody had a chance to do anything. Gene Lebell (two time national US judo champion) was the referee, and he called it a draw.
The Gracies have been trying to get Tyson into the ring for years. Tyson, very wisely, has refused. He would have about one chance in ten of landing a punch hard enough to score a kayo before Gracie shot in for his legs.
Tyson vs. Lee is more competitive. Lee started with wing-tsun, which is heavily punch-oriented. JKD did little grappling, and Tyson has about a hundred pounds advantage in weight. Lee’s best chance would be to stay away and work on Tyson’s legs.
It would be a good big man vs. a good small man. Size matters.
Put a jacket on Tyson, and I could name a dozen judoka/jujitsuka who would handle him without much bother.
All other things being equal, grappling beats boxing. Ernst Roeber vs. Bob Fitzsimmons, William Muldoon vs. John L. Sullivan, Ray Steele vs. Kingfish Levinsky, Roberto Duran vs. some Japanese wrestler during the eighties - all won by grapplers.
Regards,
Shodan
Well, this is a hijack, but FudgeNugget, I assume with the French swordmaster v. English swordmaster you were thinking of a guy with a longsword (long-bladed sword that was often wielded two-handed… probably German in origin, rather than English, as most or all surviving manuals are in German) vs a guy with a rapier.
Anyway, the important thing about that kind of match-up is that those two styles of fighting come from very different periods in European history. The longsword came after the development of plate armor, in the 13th or 14th century, while the rapier appeared after the development of the gun made armor more or less obsolete in the 16th or 17th century, and the sword became a weapon for personal self-defense, particularly for a nobleman, rather than a weapon of war.
The short answer is, unless the guy with the rapier was very, very good, the guy with the longsword would eat him for lunch. It’s a more effective weapon in general, with a heavier blow and (no one’s going to believe this, but it’s true) is probably just as fast, if not faster than the rapier. But the guy with the rapier has a gun. Bye bye, longsword man.
Um, so to make this hijack relevant, basically, finding a situation that provides a level playing field is virtually impossible. The rules are going to favor either one side (boxing rules, assume no guns present) or the other (no-holds-barred stand-up fight, whatever weapons would historically be available).
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Hey can we post a link to the Sherdog video highlights page? It’s got lots of mpegs of various fighters and styles for those who haven’t actually seen mixed martial arts before.
Even without a link you can find it from the above. For a overview I’d recommend looking at:
Igor Vovchanchyn, Vanderlei Silva, and Vitor Belfort as primarily strikers; Rumino Sato and Royce Gracie for grapplers, and take a look at Kazushi Sakuraba who does both (and is pretty entertaining).
Granted, most of these guys are past their prime and aren’t winning much anymore, but the footage on their vids comes from a few years back before and during the time people started cross training seriously (which of course threw the whole style VS style debate out the window since it’s a thing of the past). These are all big names too. Then you can take what you will from seeing different types of fighters to help make your own predictions.
I think a lot of this would depend on how badly Bruce’s reflexes and motor skills would be hampered by being a zombie.
Now that’s a joke worth writing home about!