Brazil84 doesn't get what's wrong with the claim that majorities of sub-saharan africans are retards

Bullshit and almost a straw man.

No non-intelligent person claims sociological or even sociologically-driven phenotypic races don’t exist.

So what? That’s not biology. That’s sociology. And sociologically driven partitioning of people IS racism. That’s almost the bloody definition.

No non-intelligent person claims genotypic or biologic races do exist.

You continue to dance around the issue that biologically, there is no actual disagreement. Biologically, you can’t meaningfully partition people this way for, at this point, incredibly well established reasons.

The only effective reason to conflate sociological and biological notions of race is in support of racism.

I think you mean the reverse of this. Those double negatives can get confusing.

No, I meant what I wrote and even double checked it.

Reasonably intelligent people know biologic/genotypic races do not exist.

Conversely non-intelligent people believe biologic/genotypic races do exist.

Yes, double negatives can get confusing.

ETA: Especially when they’re triple negatives (no, non, do not).

Ok, but if “no non-intelligent person” claims this, that means only intelligent people make that claim (the claim being “genotypic or biological races do exist”. “Do”, not “do not”- if it were “do not”, it would make perfect sense (or if it were “no intelligent person” instead of “no non-intelligent person”). So I still think you meant the reverse. :slight_smile:

I think you left out the “not” in “do not”.

Strunk and White must be spinning in their graves right about now.

Ayup. I have Strunk and White on my desk, actually. White was known for over-emphasizing his rules of style, though, and for breaking his own rules from time to time. It just shows that writing at a high level involves knowing when to violate conventional rules of style and also knowing not to do it too often.

Well, I think everybody got my gist, but I guess there’s an extra “non” in there or an extra “not” was needed.

I got your gist. Sorry for nitpicking.

You honestly think this is what happened, don’t you? And you wonder why people call you delusional. I’ll say it again slowly for you, as I’m sure you actually will read this. You are delusional. I have been calling you delusional for years. I am still calling you delusional. I have not abandoned this opinion. I have never denied having this opinion, quite the opposite I have tried to make it as abundantly clear to you as possible. It is not “my earlier opinion”. It has always been my opinion. Your question has absolutely no relevance to my opinion that you are delusional. I ignored your question because it is pointless and I don’t have an opinion on your question one way or the other. Here’s the distinction you seem to be missing: your question and my opinion of your deficient mental state are unrelated to each other.

And you think SSA has the average IQ of a retarded person.:rolleyes: I see, I failed to ask for a link in the proper Brazilnut format of ‘provide me with 3 examples of x where I did y’ so you didn’t understand that when I told you I had no idea what you were talking about three times it never occurred to you to actually clarify it by telling me what the fuck you were talking about.

You really were beaten about the head with the idiot stick, weren’t you? You said such a thing right there in the quoted post. And again, I was calling your argument specious. That’s not a straw man. It’s calling your argument specious. And not even you can be so stupid to not know why I never responded to you, or have you banninated mods here as well? Moderating: Drop it right now or you’ll get a warning. It doesn’t even take an IQ of 75 to figure out why I might have dropped it right then.

I’m just waiting for the moment when Brazil says to RickJay “Goodbye, Liar” and then finds out you can’t put moderators on your ignore list.

Except that “asian” does not exist outside of our own societal assumptions. In terms of genetics and biology, “asian” (or “black” or “white” or most of the other classic races) does not exist. It’s complete bullshit.

I’m sorry, did I ever deny race as a sociological concept? But that’s all it is. There’s nothing more to it. Anything else is drawing lines with no actual biological basis. Haplotypes exist. Genetic markers exist. But no racist ever deal with them. Instead, they (and you) deal with races. The outdated, social construct which has no actual biological grounding.

No, but what we’re dealing with here is a situation where drawing the line anywhere completely distorts the data. Hell, even you should be able to tell how examining the results of a group that is isolated sociologically (rather than genetically) would lead to adverse results for that group.

And yet, the genetic diversity for “black” is greater than literally everything else. Somehow, this is not an issue for your theory. If I were to hazard a guess, it’d be that this is because your theory is intellectually bankrupt pseudoscientific bullshit.

And yet, somehow, the debate is pretty much over within genetic circles. There are no big discussions about race as people like you would define it. In particular, the lines you would draw are long since discarded as completely useless.

Give him time. He’ll get there. Sooner or later. It’s where his stupidity will inevitably lead him. [I am your father, Luke] Where it must lead him. What a maroon… [apologies to Bugs Bunny, and Darth Vader].

Here’s hoping it’s Marley, because I know Marley is the type to laugh at him about it.

My vote is for Miller. I don’t want laughter, I want focused, economical savaging… :wink:

You can when it’s a pretend “ignore list” that only exists in your own little pointed head. He’s also free to put “Charter Member” on a Post-it note taped to his nipple, and to firmly believe that his Spider-Man Underoos grant him the ability to walk on walls.

Oh, ye of little faith. Of course, this scenario has already played out. Colibri’s response was both factual and a little wistful.

+1, LOL and throwing shit in quarries and such…

[sub]Ok, we do need a ‘like’ button. Can I change my vote in the ATMB thread from a few months ago on this subject?

BTW, can we also throw Bo into the quarry in celebration?[/sub]

Well fuck, we may have a statement damn near as dumb as the one the OP was complaining about. And from the same thread!

That is, when talking about genetic race, what he uses to delineate groups is self-identification. Which, as we all know, is such a great genetic marker.