They had JUST found out where he was. 2 cop cars within a minute is about right, if no a bit faster than realistic.
Good points all around Erdosain. Re Walt & Jesse - pretty ironic for Walt to tell Jesse he will have nothing, when Walt himself said last week he had nothing left but his business.
I think I went overboard with my thought about Kaylee. But dammit this was a great episode & it affected me a lot.
[i vote bacon-banana cookies, yum; franch - I’d just say no]
Well, I have to believe the DEA would have seized any piles of cash Mike left lying around. And the passport likely could have had a false name, or even more than one passport. Cash + fake ID + handgun = Mike needed a go bag. I am a little skeptical he would trust Walt to deliver it to him instead of Jesse.
Walt was already starting to lose his shit due to Jesse leaving. Just when Walt is starting to piece together his empire, his associates keep trying to tear it down by having lives and wills of their own. He patched the “No Jesse” problem with Todd, but suddenly he had 9 new problems thrown into his lap. Walt feels that he should, finally, be growing his operation - not holding it together with chewing gum and baling wire.
And then Mike refuses to give him the names of the 9 problems so that they can be dealt with (one way or another). Worse than that, Mike tells Walt the truth. (It’s a well-known law of chemistry that the truth about Walt’s ego and Walt’s ego itself cannot share an orbital.) So, he panics. For a brief moment we actually see Walter White instead of the master-planner Heisenberg.
So I have no problem believing Walt’s motivation to kill Mike. Walt’s ego had to protect itself.
As for Mike’s bag-o-goodies, I’m guessing there was more than one passport with more than one name. It’s an “in case of emergency” bag, and in an emergency he may need to avoid using his real name. He wouldn’t want to keep a bag of fake passports around his house with the DEA breathing down his neck.
I want to lead with this from last week’s thread.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15402510#post15402510
I knew as soon as I saw the gun in the bag that Mike was a goner by Walt’s hand.
I agree with what others have said. The opening scene was awesome. They will use the new kid’s prison connections to take out The Nine. I am going to miss Mike. What a great character.
They had to be passports in a fake name. Mike’s real name is on a watch list by now and he wouldn’t have been able to flee the country. Walt is going to hide things and everyone, the DEA and Jesse, is going to assume that Mike is on the lam.
Yeh, Walt killed Mike in a fit of all-out rage. Mike’s been slowly chipping away at Walt’s ego and nerves the whole time. Mike also was a trigger-pull away from killing Walt at the end of Season 3. Then, Walt witnesses Jesse and Mike shake hands as they depart.
Finally, Mike knew exactly which buttons to push to really stick it to Walt during the exchange. Stupid for Mike to underestimate Walt, especially knowing there was a gun in the go bag, and how clever he can be.
In the end, Walt rediculously tries to justify the murder because he can’t admit he cracked, or face what he’s really become.
Walt loves the “romantic” idea of being an infamous outlaw (beginning of episode), yet is in denial about the realities of what becoming a “Jesse James” really means (end of episode).
It looks like Todd will try to betray Walt. Probably by stealing the formula and attempting to kill him.
I know it’s just a TV show but I don’t want imaginary Kaylee to think her grandpa abandoned her!
I wonder if the Phoenix gang are going to threaten or kidnap some of Walt’s family to get Walt to cook for them for free. They seemed to accept the 35% deal rather easily.
Oh, all this hatred for Walt! As for me, now that Walt is full-time Heisenberg, I say let him be as bad as he can be. We all knew it was headed in this direction. Vince Gilligan has said more than once that Walt will transform “from Mr. Chips to Scarface”. Now that Scarface is here, I want to see the full effect of Walt’s transformation. Then see his final downfall. We know how this will end. The fun is in the unexpected twists and turns in the journey getting there.
This episode had a great opening, but for my money, the best opening was “No Mas” in season 3 when they introduced the killer cousins. That was absolutely flawless and had an ominous sense of foreboding that was sustained until the brothers were killed off. The “Say My Name” opening reinforced Walt as bad-ass Heisenberg, but predictably, the deal had to go through for the sake of the plot.
I don’t see that. Todd strikes me as a ‘loyal soldier’ type, and probably thinks he’s getting in on the ground floor of a pretty good deal. He knows he’s not the brightest bulb - he’s not going to try and run things this quickly. Heck, the payments he was getting for just setting up and tearing down the lab were probably the most money he’s ever seen. He’s not going to kill the golden goose that quickly.
I could see him trying to take over from Walt several years down the road, but not in the time frame we think Walt has left.
I bet he could find someone who would be interested in all those notes he jotted down during the cook.
Wow.
It’s amazing how they can get you to feel bad for such terrible people. I suppose it’s easier when they’re all compared to Walt.
I took Todd’s “we’ll talk about money once I get this right” statement as evidence of his ambitious nature. Todd is so eager to please Walt and prove he’s a good soldier that he’s willing to do whatever is necessary, whether it’s murdering a child or taking meth cooking lessons on his own time. Though, I can totally see myself being wrong about that and Todd being the anti-Jesse, appearing loyal but turning on Walt once he has the upper hand.
As for Mike chewing out Walt for ruining their “good thing” over his ego, that wasn’t entirely it. Walt originally wanted to kill Gus out of self-preservation, when he thought that Gus was planning on killing him once he no longer needed Walt to cook the meth. Then later, it was out of desperation once his “tip off the cops to save Hank and run like the wind” plan fell through.
Still, Mike has plenty of reason to be angry at Walt.
Great episode. I think that Mike’s death is going to be the catalyst that pushes the story to its conclusion. Jesse has put up with a lot of shit from Walt (the worst of it he doesn’t even know about). Walt will try to cover up Mike’s murder (probably employing Todd’s help), but I think it will get out anyway. When Jesse finds out, I think he’ll either go gunning for Walt himself or he’ll flip and offer Heisenberg to the DEA in exchange for immunity. I think the former is more likely, as Jesse has shown to be prone to violence when he’s emotional (plus, I can’t see him working with the DEA).
I thought I heard that this is the final season. Is it? Things certainly seem to be moving inexorably toward a conclusion.
and they got to that point because Walt took out the two street dealers with the Aztek. And that happened because Walt didn’t want Jesse to become the killer.
… or he’ll just do something stupid that will come back to haunt Walt.
I think Jessie and Skyler will get together too. Especially now that Jessie has reason to get back at Walt.
Mike wouldn’t let Jessie bring him the bag…probably to keep him out of trouble. He was adamant about the lawyer bringing it and then apparently gave in to let Walt do it. Another semi-contrived plot point…he should have stuck to his plan.
If it wasn’t the greatest opening scene it was definitely the best combo opening/closing involving one character!
Close. He didn’t care if Jesse became a killer; Walt was worried because he knew Jesse would get killed in the attempt, or by Fring afterwards.
So really, Mike’s outrage and self-righteousness were misplaced. “We had a good thing going.” Yes, until JESSE screwed everything by avenging Combo and Tomas. Jesse and Fring started the inevitable conflict. Walt just did what he had to, to survive. Sure, he could have walked away when Gus fired him, but he has nothing left at that point except the vague word of a killer that he won’t go after Walt or his family.
But Mike isn’t interested in rehashing stuff that shows him and Jesse in a bad light. He’d rather blame everything on Walt. Which isnt fair, but Walt’s been such an asshole this season that it’s hard to sympathize with him.
You can tell they’re in a house because of two things - the green light (from the sunlight seeping in from the cover) and from the scene in which Walt is watching TV while on break at the cook.
It kind of reminds us of 502 when Lydia didn’t want her daughter thinking that she’d abandoned her. Now Kaylee might think her grandfather did it instead.
Yes. This is the final season but its sixteen episodes are split up into two eight-episode runs. This run will end next week, and the final eight episodes will air next year.
No, the lawyer was right - if they’re looking for Mike, then the odds that the lawyer has a tail are pretty high. Walt was a better choice (since Mike wanted Jesse to stay out of it), and that’s why Mike went with him.
Although, at some point you’d think that Walt visiting Sol(? the lawyer) all the time might raise some suspicions - although it’s likely a building with a lot of lawyers in it, so it would probably take awhile before Walt was tagged as seeing that particular one.