Lily of the Valley poisoning can be explained as an accident: kids and pets sometimes eat the berries or plant because they don’t know it’s poisonous. Ricin is synthesized, so poisoning can’t be explained that way. There would have been an investigation into who made the ricin and why.
And, as others have said, because as horrible as Walt is, he still has lines he doesn’t want to cross, and killing a kid is one of them. Remember that the train heist, where a kid ended up getting killed by Todd, was organized in the very complicated way it was specifically to avoid having to kill anyone innocent.
Doing the heist like that was actually Jesse’s idea. He thought of it while Walt and Mike were still discussing whether to kill the train crew (Walt seeming the least averse to that idea).
I think that’s part of why Jesse is so torn up about Drew Sharp. While Todd was the shooter, Jesse partly blames himself, since the plan was his.
Mike was adamant that IF they did the heist, the crew would have to be killed. Walt wanted to tie them up.
Jesse blames himself also because he gave Todd a big speech about how no one could ever find out about the heist right before it went down.
Huh. On a totally unrelated note, it just occurred to me that the name “Drew Sharp” kind of sounds like it could be a pun on drawing a gun and sharp shooting.
Lily of the Valley can kill. I assume it’s less deadly than ricin, but make no mistake- Walt could’ve killed Brock.
The waitress would have every right to be scared of swastikas, and would be careful around them, it’s just to possibly add to her concern, I think we saw a route 66 sign, and then at the end of the shot before the break they are driving past the “Welcome to New Mexico” sign. It makes me think they may have been right on that border of the dead zone where Lydia said would be a perfect area to move the meth, on a map it would be driving from Arizona into New Mexico’s McKinley district. If it’s close to the area of the heist, then the waitress may know something of Drew Sharp and his death. A longshot, of course, but all the signposts on this show are there for a reason.
Seems that Todd didn’t take that advice either. Now that word is out about the “great train robbery” word will probably reach the DEA’s ears. How long will it take Hank to realize that Lydia is involved?
I know at some point Hank will directly confront her. She’s just so high strung and uptight that to be directly faced with knowing she’s been caught is going to be hugely entertaining to watch.
I just wanted to add that with Drew Sharp, wearing a helmut while on his dirt bike would indicate that whomever the neo nazis are referrring to are definitely under 17. Could it be a factor in the waitress being extra cautious? Motorcycles don’t require helmuts in these parts if you’re over 17.
We don’t know that the word is out. He was telling his own business partners, after all. They’re not going to the DEA. It could be a problem if the waitress heard something, but I’m not sure she did.
Agreed. Even if Walt appeared that he didn’t want to kill the kid, if the Lily of the Valley killed him so be it. It would take the heat off of the ricin producer.
At this point that’s true, but you know what they say about conspiracies. I don’t see those guys as being the silent type, and it’s a heck of a story. Odds are good it’s about to be told and retold many times over. Especially since they have the big tank of Methylamine right there.
Of course, I’ve been wrong about everything else on this show so far 
- but I really do hope that we get to see Hank “interview” Lydia and the consequences that has on her.
By the way, threads like these are the biggest argument against the Netflix experiment.
I liked Orange is the New Black. I really enjoyed season 4’s Arrested Development. I loved House of Cards.
You know what I didn’t like? Not having threads like these. Pouring over details one episode at a time. Speculating at the end of each week what next week’s episode would bring. Having really stupid memes pop up like Hank and Marie watching some random Malcolm in the Middle scene because that’s what’s on everyone’s mind that day.
You don’t get that here. House of Cards had like 4 threads about it and a total of around 85 posts.
Orange is the New Black had 2 threads and 143 posts.
Right now we’re on 371 for this episode alone.
You’ve got people coming into the thread halfway through trying to desperately avoid reading spoilers from the second half of the season, while still trying to participate. Or you’ve got people who powered through all 13 or so episodes in one sitting and are waiting around for others to catch up. Or you discuss something from episode 3 and that topic never catches on because people say “what was that about again? I watched that 10 episodes ago.” And there’s no speculation on what comes next because it’s all laid out right there for you. The whole season for the taking.
It’s not that I don’t like having it all right there up front. But I really think it takes away from the community aspect of it.
May not be too farfetched at all. Obviously a report was filed on the unscheduled train stop. On that same day, and during roughly the same timeframe, a child on a dirtbike goes missing in that area. I think it’s a very safe bet that the first thing that the authorities investigated was the possibility that the child had climbed on board the train to goof around and had become trapped when the train started up again. Every square inch of the train would have been searched for the kid, and that probably would have made the news, even if it only amounted to a passing mention that the search had yielded nothing. Now a local waitress overhears three criminals talking about a train heist specifically involving a liquid substance, and then sees them drive off hauling several hundred gallons of a clear liquid. This is not something that the authorities would just brush off if she were to call it in. Add to that the fact that three people got a good look at Kuby during what has now been revealed to be a heist, and the fact that the three criminals in the diner are easily identifiable (their fingerprints are all over their coffee cups), and the whole thing rapidly unravels from there.
Alternatively, it’s possible the sign was on-screen to show that they were entering New Mexico, site of our show. 
Enderw24 has something there. I was thinking about how long this thread has gotten, and how we’re basically all in here trying to maintain while we’re waiting on our next Breaking Bad fix. Same thing with the Game of Thrones threads, except we don’t bitch about spoilers (as much) in here. It’s a lot of fun, even if you don’t have much to say–I’m mostly content to sit back and enjoy the ride without too much speculation, but it’s fun to listen to the conversation. The first things I do when I finish up watching the show, a few minutes after ten due to the buffer I build in against commercials: 1) Come here and see what folks have been saying so far. 2) Go read Alan Sepinwall’s recap. 3) Read the AV Club recap. 4) Come back here and catch up. 5) Try to read/keep up with the AV Club comments, which is frickin’ impossible. God, I’m glad y’all are here. I don’t know how anyone can handle that rapid fire twitter-style shit. 6) Repeat 4 & 5 until time for bed. The Netflix model has nothing to match that.
I’m surprised so many people didn’t understand it, because once he was staring at his pack of cigarettes and shaking, I figured out what was going on in his head. And I was yelling “Oh shit! Shit’s about to go down!” and I was glad I was watching the show by myself. I’m not trying to sound superior, because there’s stuff I definitely miss or don’t understand until I read recaps or comments later about the episode.
But I’d also rather some thing be underexplained rather than overexplained. One reason I stopped watching Under The Dome was because of the constant exposition and explanations, where the show obviously assumed that the viewers needed constant hand-holding. Also, I don’t watch Dexter, but I’ve heard complaints about needless explanations there;this graphic illustrates the difference between the shows.
Right, I don’t think Walt wanted to kill Brock, but I think he knew it was a possibility and did it anyway. Using Lily of the Valley instead of ricin was so there would be less questions. If it had been ricin, then Jesse would have been questioned further and would have possibly let it slip that it was Walt who made it.
I don’t think the word is out about the robbery, but I guess it could get out. Neither of the guys that Todd told the story to would tell the DEA, but they could tell other crooks, who tell other crooks, who tell other crooks, and the story could get to the DEA. It would be interesting to see Lydia in DEA questioning. She’s smart and I think she’d have answers for any questions, but would still look suspicious.
Doesn’t Hank just need to find the right law enforcement official for Jesse to talk to? Right before Saul walked into the interrogation room, Jesse said “Not to you”, when Hank asked him if he wanted to talk about Walt.
I suspect the “fact” that he’d be making Hank’s case for him would not be lost on Jesse in that situation, never mind that it’d actually be quite possibly torpedoing Hank’s career.
Regarding a show a week vs Netflix’s new style of releasing everything all at once. Netflix said they wanted to try that and see what happened. They know that goes against everything that’s been done in TV/radio for nearly a hundred years so they figured why not, let’s give it a shot.
A few things
1)People are constantly talking about watching an entire series/season/catching up in a very short amount of time.
2)You lose the ability to discuss the show with others. I watched the OITNB with a few other people and we constantly had to figure out who was the farthest back and try to remember what happened up to that point, it was a bit of a pain until everyone finished. Keep in mind, and I’ve said this before, the people that discuss every single little detail of every single scene, of every show, the way we do, are in the minority. Most people talk about it the next day for a few minutes at work and then more or less forget about it for a week or at the very least don’t need 300 posts per episode. For most people, if they asked what happened to Jesse’s cigarettes, you could say “Huell took them” and that would be the end of it. It wouldn’t spark a 3 week debate and involve watching the scene 20 times and culminate in a statement from the show creator. Message boards are unique that way.
3)It’s could create a different culture of TV watchers for the Netflix culture, it’s hard to speculate. For example, I didn’t watch House Of Cards, but I can watch it whenever I want. If it was on TV when it first showed up, I’d still have, what, another few months before it maybe showed up on Netflix?
4)Network shows can’t be adjusted on the fly to react to the audience. That works both ways. On the one hand, there’s a plot that ‘the internet’ clearly needs help with, well, it’s not getting worked in until next season. OTOH, if ‘the internet’ falls in love with one character or a catch phrase we don’t have to worry about be inundated with it. It might also force the writers to write better since they can’t rely on the audience to help them out as much.
5)This, I think, might be the biggest downfall, if there is one. During the arguments between CBS and TWC, someone said the biggest problem that TWC is going to have is that people are going to stop caring. Right now a lot of people are on TWC’s side (take a look at their FB page). The first time I turned on Dexter and it was gone, it was a shock, the second time, I said “Oh yeah, I don’t have Showtime”, now I don’t even bother turning that channel on and haven’t even thought about Dexter. It’s the last season and I don’t really care any more because I haven’t been in the habit of watching it for a month now. The article I read said exactly that about the dispute, if it goes on too long, people will get out of the habit of turning on Showtime each week. With all the shows dropping at once, there’s no habit to get into. If every Tuesday an OITNB came down, I’d find a day during the week to watch it (probably Tuesday) and then when that was over, they started a new show and a another one and eventually turned it into a network/cable station, people would form habits around it.
But that’s the opposite of what they’re trying to do. It should be interesting. And this probably should’ve had it’s own thread, it got way longer then I intended.
Netflix is right to try to take advantage of binge-watching. It seems like it’s become more and more popular and it’s a ton of fun. I experienced the first four seasons of Breaking Bad and all of The Wire and Deadwood that way. I love breaking down each episode, but it’s trickier if you don’t get in on the ground floor with a show.
It could also prevent some network interference and keep the writers honest a little bit. As a counterexample, consider 24- where they were always tweaking their plots week based on what the fans liked and then writing themselves into and out of corners at a ridiculous pace.