Breaking Bad 5.13 "To'hajiilee" 9/8/13

No way. Walt can’t win. Where’s the tragedy in that? Or the justice?

If the show doesn’t end with Walt dead, it’ll end with him worse than dead- dying with no family, no empire, no money. I think I’d rather see that, in fact.

Yep, I was hoping they would follow up on the Madrigal connection more, and the higher ups from Madrigal sent to investigate Gus death would become the final antagonists. Or even Gus connections in Chile? Its obviously too late to go this way now but to me it would have been satisfying to show the final antagonists as a revealing more of the bigger picture they were hinting at with the whole Madrigal thing.

But for now I choose to believe they’ll surprise us the finale will NOT be Walt’s M60 vs the Nazis. Too obvious, too boring, too cliched.

Walt gets a life sentence, the same day he learns his cancer is cured.

That bit was right after he won against Gus. Justice? Good drama doesn’t require it; sometimes the bad guys win. That scene would have been a good place to stop, IMHO. A bit "Match Point"ish.

Now though … I am merely agreeing odds are the end will disappoint. Even as I agree, and have previously hoped for, and end that leaves Walt with nothing and nobody, dying vomiting in front a son who merely pities what he is, and pity only slightly more than contempt. Not feared, not respected.

BTW, that’s what he’ll use the ricin for: Curing his cancer.

Along with the chemo, that “must be exhausting”.

Hank’s telling Walter his rights upon arrest did not ring true. My understanding is that officers of the law must always, always, literally read them off the card no matter how well they may know the shtick by heart. Otherwise, some smart lawyer could hammer home to a judge the possibility of the cop flubbing it somehow, thus allowing his client to walk.

Hank: “Card, yeah I read it from the card, it was right here in my pocket, see? Isn’t that right I read it from the card, right Gomez?”

Gomez: “Yes, he read it from the card”.

Really? :dubious:

Hank: “I’ve just bagged the man behind the biggest meth operation in the Southwest, and I also have him on tape confessing to multiple murders and one case of child poisoning.”
Saul: “Sorry, you didn’t read him his rights off the card. Sayonara!”

Walt & Saul rides off into sunset.

Um, I don’t think so. Hank could have stuffed the card up Walt’s behind, and it wouldn’t have made a difference.

That’s ridiculous. Even if it were true, they have enough evidence that anything that he said after the arrest wouldn’t need to be used at trial.

Maybe, but that’s what I was told and that it’s second nature to cops to do this. Can any cops here verify this? Yeah, I’m sure Gomez would back him up and say he did read it, but it just seems odd that he wouldn’t read it.

EDIT: A Los Angeles cop told me this.

In real life I’m sure you are right but I can’t think of one example in a TV show or movie where they read the Miranda off a card. I’ve always seen it done like Hank did, from memory.

If nothing else it’s dramatic license. The scene just wouldn’t have looked as good that way. We can be pretty sure Walt is never put on trial, but I doubt that’s the reason. More likely it’s because Hank doesn’t live to bring him in.

Also? Did you know if you ask an undercover cop if he’s a cop, he has to tell you? :wink:

But having lightly mocked you for this belief, I go on to discover a google search reveals there’s some truth to it. Many police departments do require the rights be read off a card. This is to ensure compliance, but I don’t see any reference to an idea that failing to read from a card is grounds for doubt that the rights were read correctly.

Great episode, but I didn’t care for the gunfight cliffhanger. It felt too artificial, like in Alias when the episodes would end 2 minutes early to force a cliffhanger to compel the viewer to keep watching. Breaking Bad has usually been great at writing a good cliffhanger, but this was a little disappointing. I would have preferred that they end right at the start of the standoff instead.

I’m thinking that Gomez is going to die, Jesse will escape or be captured by the Nazis, and Walt will be captured as well. If there was more time left in the series, it would be interesting to see Jesse and Walt forced to work together again for the Nazis, but I don’t think that will happen.

It did look like Gomez grimaced as he took cover by the car, so I thought he was hit. But the next shot shows him firing back, apparently fine. Still, from a dramatic standpoint, it makes sense for him to die. Hank’s secret crusade against Walt has been slowly catching up to him. Gomez’s death seems like a natural progression. Just like Walt, Hank is making more and more compromises as he keeps the DEA in the dark, but he’s in too deep to stop now.

It doesn’t matter, Walt never said he understood his rights either.

  1. There’s nothing particularly sacred in the form of the warnings. That doesn’t mean that it’s not good policy for a law enforcement agency to require its officers to read the warnings from a card that has language on it that has been extensively vetted in court challenges, but it also doesn’t mean that failure to use such language will render the warnings ineffective.

  2. If you’re not planning to introduce as evidence statements made during a custodial interrogation, the warnings don’t matter for shit anyway. Assuming that Walt’s extensive confession of everything even slightly naughty he’s ever done (seriously, Chunk from the Goonies would be proud) was recorded or admissible under a hearsay exception (I’m rusty, not being a litigator, but I’m thinking admissions against interest?), I’m not sure they’ll have a lot of need to put the screws to him in custody. (Also, I’d like to think that Walt is smart enough to shut his damn mouth in that situation.)

What other reason would they have for that policy? Anyway, that’s what I was told, and it would only make sense to head off any potential legal challenges.

But anyway, I agree the scene as played was more dramatic. Hank fumbling around for the card would have taken something away. It was just something that stuck with me.

I think Hank just wanted the satisfaction of giving Walt his rights.