That’s not how I’ve understood the term, “cold blooded” murder doesn’t refer to the presence or absence of remorse after the act. Instead it means a murder done other than in the heat of passion. Example, if I walk in on my wife sleeping with another man, and I basically go insane with rage and kill her and her love–that’s murder, but not cold blooded murder, it was done in a moment of passion. Or a bar fight, so things get crazy in a bar fight and I pull a gun and kill the other guy, that’s also done in the heat of the moment, not a cold blooded murder.
If I plan a murder over several weeks to collect say, insurance payout from the death of my victim, that’s a cold blooded murder. That being said, Jesse’s murder of Gale wasn’t “in cold blood.” It was done because out of nowhere Jesse got a phone call from Walt, in which Walt told Jesse Gus had him, and Jesse had to do it. Jesse knew that if he didn’t kill Gale right then, Walt was dead. So he was in a state of panic, at that point in time he was very loyal to Walt (Walt had just drove over the two drug dealers for him.) He also probably realized with Gale dead he was himself more likely to be protected from murder by Gus.
Maybe I am misusing the term but I thought it referred to the person’s state of mind at the time of the crime. A “hot blooded” murder would be one motivated by emotion, anger or revenge(not that it excuses it). While cold blooded would lack that emotional motivation and be purely for convenience or personal gain.
Gale had never done anything to Jesse, he was simply murdered to manipulate someone else(much like Andrea).
Somewhere in the first season, I think. (Maybe “Gray Matters.”) They had a vague argument about Walt leaving her during a visit to her parents’ house.
There aren’t any. The stuff Washoe linked to was written before the first half of season five was even written. I also think it’s pretty optimistic to picture Jesse surviving the last episode.
That’s pretty cold. I’ve argued a couple of times that people downplay all the bad stuff Jesse has done - it seems like most posters don’t want to see Walt “get away with it” anymore, but some have just transferred that wish to Jesse - but this overlooks Jesse’s relationship with Walt. When the series started he was a young, screwed-up druggie looking for approval because his family thought he was a loser. His life wasn’t going anywhere good but he wasn’t much different from Badger and Skinny Pete. To tweak what I said in last week’s thread, he wound up with maybe the worst surrogate father in fiction this side of Humbert Humbert. Walt was a very intelligent middle-aged man who turned out to be an expert at manipulating people, and he used all of Jesse’s weaknesses to get what he wanted - up to and including letting Jesse’s girlfriend die, letting him think he’d poised Brock, and having Jesse kill Gale. It’s fair to point out that Jesse was used.
Walt knows the names and probably the location of the Nazis. If he really wanted revenge for Hank’s death he would give the info about Uncle Jack to the DEA, anonymously or not. That would be the smart thing to do, and would also let the writers get Jesse out of that hole. Jesse might even get a plea deal if the feds saw his confession. Marie could confirm he was working with Hank.
Of course, Walt - being the asshole he is - probably still blames Jesse. He also probably wants to get vengeance personally, rather than hand the Nazis over to the cops. Which means they’ll probably get away.
Boy was this episode depressing. Breaking Bad was always kinda fun to watch (know what I mean?). But not these last few episodes. If Todd gets away with his crimes; if Jesse stays a prisoner - I will be almost as upset as I was at the Lost finale.
You might be thinking about the scene in the restaurant, after Walt drives up to Santa Fe. Gretchen accuses Walt of “abandoning us.” At the end, Walt says, “fuck off,” and she leaves him sitting at the table.
Before that, she asks him “Why did you do it?” but she’s talking about lying to his family, not about abandoning her and Elliot.
You have some good points, how old was the character of Jesse supposed to be when he meets Walt in the pilot? I know he was a former student, but Walt had a long teaching career didn’t he?
EDIT:I know there is a tendency in TV to cast older actors as younger characters, I assumed Jesse was in his late twenties or thirty in the pilot.
I feel similar to the poster above in #326. This show is definitely not “fun” to watch anymore. But of course it has to end like this. It’s such an emotional roller coaster ride that I will almost be relieved when it’s over. As much as I would love for a happy ending for Skyler and the kids, and maybe even Jesse, I don’t think there will be one. The whole point is Walt’s pride becomes a cancer that destroys everyone he cares about. To not see it through it now would be wrong. That said, the show at times lately has bordered on torture porn.
Somewhere along the way there’s discussion of Walt leaving without saying a word or explaining himself - the implication being that she doesn’t know why he left her and the company.
Debating whether Jesse is good or bad supposes that he is either one or the other. Well, he’s both. I’d say he’s the show’s very incarnation of moral ambiguity and internal struggle.
Of Walt’s “three sons” (Junior, Jesse, Todd) he’s the middle child. Each of the three is a reflection of a different side of Walt. We can list them in order of thesis, antithesis and synthesis. Thesis: Junior. He is completely innocent, and the son of the kind and gentle chemistry teacher Walter White (Walt’s super-ego, if you want to use the Freudian model). Antithesis: Todd. President of the Heisenberg fan club, he’s pretty much pure evil. (In Freudian terms, Heisenberg is the id.) Synthesis: Jesse. He has seen both sides of Walt, and represents the struggle between the two. (The ego). No wonder he’s so tortured and torn up inside.
I guess this is also partly the reason why Jesse is a so much more real and complex character than the other two (in addition to just the amount of screen time and development he’s had compared to the others). Junior is (and I don’t like saying this, because I do like the guy) is a weak, crippled fool, while Todd is a complete monster.
I would pay any amount of money to see a one-off special episode featuring the Alquist/Rodarte-Quayle wedding. “Todd, your Uncle Jack cannot give a toast using the c-, n-, and f-words.”
Wikipedia says the character born in September 1984. The show went on the air in early 2008, so say he’s around 23 and not very mature for 23. You could give him a couple of extra years if you wanted, but he’s mid-20s at the oldest.
I’m betting the finale begins with a flashback to that 4th of July weekend, and we learn why Walt left Gretchen and Gray Matter.
I’m convinced that the M-60 is for Uncle Jack’s gang. After rewatching the last episode, Walt does indeed tell Saul that he’s going to kill Jack’s gang and get his money back because it’s for his children and no one else. Jack stole his “life’s work.”
At this point Walt doesn’t care if he lives or dies. He’s going to die anyway, so I think he’s motivated to do what’s right by his son.
The script from the scene involved. It’s clear she still doesn’t understand why Walt abandoned them.
My own hypothetical: Walt and Gretchen were likely an item. Gretchen’s father gave the trio their seed money. On the fourth of July weekend Walt spends some time alone with Gretchen’s who father brings up Elliot a few times in conversation. When pressed he tells Walt that he invested in the group for two reasons: 1. Walt was dating his little girl and he wanted to make sure she was taken care of (said in a tone that implies he didn’t think Walt would be able to do it himself). 2. Gretchen’s pitch emphasized the brilliance of Elliot Schwartz. Both of those revelations would be unforgivable to Walt, more-so than a love triangle IMHO.
They were definitely an item. That much is made explicit - in that script she even says “You left me.” It’s not a plot point or anything but it’s worth noting that Skyler is significantly younger than Walt. She is obviously not in her early 50s like he is; he met her after leaving Gretchen.
Or imagine she didn’t express a lot of faith in the project: she could have told her father that they would be OK even if Gray Matter didn’t work out. Walt would have seen that as diminishing his work and its importance and it would explain why he insists Gretchen was just a rich girl adding to her millions.
It doesn’t matter why he exactly left Grey Matter. The point is that his pride was rearing its ugly head even back then. That’s all that matters. There probably won’t even be a mention of Grey Matter in the finale.
