Breaking Bad 5.16 "Felina" 9/29/13 SERIES FINALE

It was the Albuquerque police that had him on custody. And I’m pretty sure Hank didn’t tell anyone he was going there. Gomey might have known later, but he’s dead too.

To pick up the weekly shipment of blue meth from Todd and drop off the money. You don’t think they used FedEx, do you?

I’m sure they didn’t but FedEx is used pretty often in the drug trade (as opposed to UPS). I think it’s especially used for international trafficking.

This could have made that Cast Away movie a lot more interesting.

My guess was that it was showing the “toys” the Nazis have started buying with their booty (someone else mentioned Jack had a cashmere sweater. The pool table might be new too.) And I also think someone thought it would be awesome to have a dead body “writhing” in a massage chair.

I don’t think Jesse’s going to stop driving anytime soon. My guess is he still ends up in Alaska somehow.

Actually, I noticed last week that the Nazis were watching Jesse’s confession video on a huge flat-screen. And now they can afford Ben & Jerry’s! (Maybe B&J will do a Breakin Bad flavor? They did it for 30 Rock.)

There was nothing ambiguous about Walt’s ending. Cops don’t walk over bodies of living criminal masterminds. He’s super dead.

It’s mentioned often but Jim Beavers, who plays the gun seller and who was also in Deadwood, is actually a member here and posted a bit about Deadwood in the past. Would be amazing if he popped into one of these threads but I’m sure he never will.

Crystal Blue Persuasion.

Heh, yeah, but you never want to go Full Shakespeare.

Or is that Full Retard, from Tropic Thunder? I may be mixing those up :slight_smile:

What Todd was going to say.

I really expected to hear that song, the original though.

Evidently Walt thought that lottery ticket would buy Skyler some leverage to lessen her punishment.

I found myself wondering how that would go with regard to Marie: “So I know where your murdered husband’s body is, but I’m going to hold that information hostage to lessen my fully-deserved criminal punishment. That’s cool, right?”

I wonder what kind of deal Jesse could make by offering a detailed account of everything Walt did, as well as an explanation of Drew Sharp’s disposition. I imagine he couldn’t make out terribly well, but a good lawyer could probably dangle the Drew Sharp stuff to some effect. Of course, I agree that he might well send an anonymous tip from Alaska or wherever.

(I admit I just really want Drew’s parents to at least know what happened and that he didn’t suffer, isn’t currently enslaved, etc.)

I half expected him to say “Mr White, someone shot up your car” but then I realized that he’d have no reason to know that Walt was driving that car. Other then Walt having never been there and that car having never been there, would Todd have put that together? As far as Todd was concerned that car could still have belonged to whoever just shot up the place.

He also knows where Hank and Gomez are.

There was always a reason in the script. It’s not a major problem for me because it’s a drama, after all. I’m just pointing out that by the end, ‘get on your knees, I’m going to shoot you in the head right now-’ ‘Wait!’ became a little bit of a Breaking Bad trademark.

I really didn’t see that coming. You think Todd knew Groucho was Jewish?

And the hitmen, even if they were real, would never know the difference. That’s probably be the smartest thing Gretchen and Elliott could do other than calling the cops right away.

He’s not only merely dead…

Fair enough. I think it’s hard to take his comments any other way, but he didn’t directly say he’d keep the money. He pointed out to Walt that it would be foolish to believe him if he promised to bring the money to Walt’s family.

Yes. He said he liked the finale of The Sopranos for that show but Breaking Bad required a different type of ending. Speaking of which, I mentioned something about The X Files a week or two ago and Martin Bigfoot said this:

On Talking Bad Vince Gilligan made some comments about shows that never resolve anything and don’t tie up the loose ends, and he certainly didn’t say anything that made it obvious he was talking about The X Files, but it was easy to interpret it that way. He said he didn’t want to go that route.

Right, I’m pretty sure it’s money laundering no matter how you slice it. It’s the proceeds from a criminal enterprise and I doubt they would be the first people to use a charity to launder money. The Schwartzes may very well have the means to pull it off since their net worth is in the hundreds of millions and could be in the billions, and if they got nervous they could even make the donation themselves without ever touching Walt’s money. Strictly speaking I don’t know if Gretchen and Elliott created a charity themselves to fund those clinics or if they just have a charitable foundation and used it to give $28 million to rehab clinics (maybe Jesse will work at one one day if he hasn’t left the Southwest entirely). If it’s the latter, maybe nobody would know. If it’s the former it would raise a lot of questions.

He stole a car and drove back to the cabin.

It didn’t leave the same kind of impression on me either. It couldn’t, really. By this episode everything that was going to happen had already been set in motion. You couldn’t predict everything (I sure didn’t) but there was an inevitability to most of it. That’s why the little things like Walt’s scene with Skyler stood out to me more than the plot points did.

So did I. They’re in a pretty remote area but that was a lot of machine gun fire.

Yes, she was. And she went to the coffee place to talk business. She met Walt there every week and she kept doing the same with Todd. That’s how Walt knew he would find them there. I thought it was established that the finished meth was shipped from one place to another with legitimate Madrigal products, but I could be wrong.

If Walt told Todd he’d poisoned Lydia it’s hard to think of a real reason Todd wouldn’t just kill him instantly.

There are a couple I still haven’t read or seen but Breaking Bad is the most like Macbeth for sure: they’re about ostensibly good men who go bad and have to grapple with the consequences. Last night I was trying to think of a Shakespearean tragedy that ends like Breaking Bad did and I couldn’t. Macbeth goes through an emotional cycle somewhere between Walt’s and Jesse’s; he’s haunted by what he’s done and gives up when he realizes his enemies and the prophecy have him cornered. If not for Walt’s dealing with the Schwartzes - depending on how you believe that might turn out after Walt dies - I think you could say the ending is Macbeth-y. (Macbeth has no descendants and near the end he despairs that he’s given up his soul so someone else’s children can take the throne.) Richard III and Iago never give up - Richard dies on the battlefield, sort of like Walt - but they’re knowingly, maybe flamboyantly evil. Walt wasn’t that.

I forgot to add that I’m glad Walt finally got to tell someone that it wasn’t him that killed Hank, it was the Nazis. Though there was a little part of me that wished he had started that sentence off with “when you ordered the hit on Jesse, they showed up just as I was turning myself in to Hank…”

I knew that the M60 would be mounted on some sort of automated contraption! It was a main plot point in 1997’s The Jackal (loose remake of Day of the Jackal). It just seemed like the thing a smart guy would do with that Rambo gun. I’ve got to say that Walter was extremely lucky that the spray and angles matched up so neatly. That was the tensest parking job ever.

Todd looked stupid right up until his heart stopped. I really wonder what he was thinking as Jesse choked him out. But we’re buddies, right?

Kudos to the makeup department nailing Lydia’s poisoned look. I’m impressed by stuff like that.

Loved the classic rock outro. Walt and Jr. had a conversation about real music awhile back, and it seemed fitting. It seemed a very Paul Thomas Anderson choice, like ELO’s Livin’ Thing closing out Boogie Nights.

The pulse of the interwebs seems to be ‘it was satisfying, but perhaps too tidy.’ Rubbish! Jesse did not have a tidy ending. His fate is a huge loose end, and all the better for it. We get to imagine what’s down the road for him.

Walt’s moment of anagnorisis in the with Skyler was the crux of the episode. He’s had blustering, false, and wishful moments of it throughout the series, “I am the danger.” This was the true one.

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Anagnorisis (/ˌænəɡˈnɒrɨsɨs/; Ancient Greek: ἀναγνώρισις) is a moment in a play or other work when a character makes a critical discovery. Anagnorisis originally meant recognition in its Greek context, not only of a person but also of what that person stood for. Anagnorisis was the hero’s sudden awareness of a real situation, the realisation of things as they stood, and finally, the hero’s insight into a relationship with an often antagonistic character in Aristotelian tragedy.[1]
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Ah - I did not know that word.

As for your comment saying you do not think the ending was too tidy - cool. I guess my question is: Walt had his anagnorisis (used it! ;)) - he sees he did it all for himself. So - does he “pay” for that selfish pridefulness in a profound way? Should he?

If this was a classic Greek/Shakespearean tragedy, his life would be ripped from him and his family would share in the pain of his pride for generations to come. Instead, he dies, but he’s cared for his loved ones.

Should he have more classic tragedy? I am still noodling that over for myself…