Breaking Bad 5.16 "Felina" 9/29/13 SERIES FINALE

Look at all the cool props from the show that you can buy: http://screenbid.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/6/

I would love to buy Skyler’s red Grand Wagoneer, I use to have one just like that.

Regarding the engine size question Mr. Nazi asks Walt, any gearhead would know that the question would be does it have a 472 or 500? These were the two monster size engines Caddy offered, with the 500 being the most desirable. The last year for both was 1976. Now this appears to be a 1977 Sedan deVille, the biggest engine would have been a 425. so in gear head terms, asking if it had a 425 or 500 was a mixed metaphor.

The morgue, probably.

I think you guys are massively overestimating how difficult it is to walk around in society if you’re a fugitive. White Bulger at the time he went on the lam was every bit as notorious as Walt was suggested to be in the Breaking Bad universe. I’m quite sure when he first arrived at the condo him and his girlfriend hid out in, he did keep it on the extreme down low. But by the time he was caught he had been living pretty openly there for over a decade.

How? Because after a few months no on is really going to recognize you. At that point the number one way you get caught is to get pulled over for something or in some way to create a paper trail leading to you. Bulger lived 100% on cash, and he did not maintain a driver’s license or a car. When you’re a fugitive wanted by the Feds for serious crimes getting a valid driver’s license is very hard to do without getting unwanted attention, and if you drive without license you’re one unlucky stop away from being arrested and eventually identified as a serious criminal on the run.

Walt had been gone for months, the idea that being a fugitive who was on the news 3-4 months ago means just walking into a store to buy a pack of Stevia or walking into a coffee shop means immediate arrest is ludicrous beyond belief. I’m not speculating here, we can literally go through a list of nationally known fugitives that were hiding “in plain sight” for a significant amount of time. Ted Bundy was a freaking nationally wanted serial killer and he was drinking at a bar in Michigan watching a college football game only a few weeks after he escaped from prison.

The Stevia thing is probably the simplest thing in the whole episode, by the way. Walt said Lydia was a creature of habit, this means they probably met not only in that same coffee shop every week but sat at that same table. Walt gets there 20 minutes before Lydia’s scheduled meeting time, and removes all the Stevia packets from her table. Then he replaces it with a single Stevia packet filled with ricin, that he has tampered with prior to ever going to the coffee shop.

I know dozens of people who talk just like that. You could call it ‘Southern California affluent housewife-speak.’ These are people who have never had to deal with any traumatic or unpleasant event in their entire lives. Everything that comes out of their mouth is just an endless stream of frivolous banter. Walt even mocked Charles and Camilla’s affectations when he asked “ooh—are we looking east? You must have just a marvelous view of the Sangre de Cristos!” (Yeah, I know that’s not exactly what Walt said. I embellished for effect.)

As they walked through their mansion, the babbled on about white people problems. Nothing that we’d normally begrudge, but the flitty dialogue sounded especially shallow when contrasted against the enormous gravity of the finale.

Yeah.

A while ago, I said that I’d be up for a discussion about which characters go to Heaven and which go to Hell when everything was said and done.

Now I think that I was missing the point. For these characters there is no Heaven and no Hell. A better way to think about Walt is perhaps as a Nietzschean Superman, living in a world where God is dead, forced to create his own values, his own morality and his own meaning. And it all has to make sense in this world, because there is no great beyond.

But in reality, he was manipulating them into standing at the window so that Badger and Skinny Pete could shine the laser pointers on them.

I have to say I was really impressed with the ending. The use of the 1999 hockey game between my beloved Badgers and Denver while Walt was in the NH bar was clever foreshadowing. The Badgers came from behind and scored six goals to win in the third period. What were Walt’s six goals:

  1. Get’s some poetic revenge on the Schwartz’s, makes his problem theirs
  2. Get’s money to his family without the Feds after it
  3. Makes peace with Skyler, confesses his true reason for Breaking Bad, gives her a way out of legal troubles while providing Marie closure on Hank (and for Gomie’s family)
  4. Offs Lydia
  5. Kills the AB gang, frees Jesse
  6. Has a final encounter with Jesse, in their own way they make peace

Game over.

And they were too stupid to realize that bipod-mounted rifles wouldn’t jiggle like that.

I don’t remember, was there a cap or cab on the back of the El Camino Jesse drove off in? If so, how about this- Jesse stops for gas on his way to Alaska, takes a look in the back and finds it packed full of the el Camino owner’s share of the cash. :wink:

Breaking Fast

Nice.

I was thinking:

  1. Kill goon #1.
  2. Kill goon #2.
  3. Kill goon #3.
  4. Kill Kenny. (Oh my God! They killed Kenny!)
  5. Kill Jack.
  6. Kill Lydia.

And Jesse got Todd, so it all worked out.

Nice.

No cap, cab or canopy (Pacific NW term) on the Elky. But even if Jesse found the money, wouldn’t he just throw it away?

6 months as a meth cook slave spending his spare time in a pit may have left him less charitable and taught him the value of a dollar :slight_smile:

My favorite moment of the episode was the song “El Paso” in the beginning. I was sure that the Marty Robbins connection, perfect as it was, would turn out to be just one of those things that the interwebs had fanwanked up, and hearing the song come on was a real “oh shit!” moment.

Wow, this thread is so long, I cannot possibly read it before commenting. So let me just say I thought it was close to a perfect ending as could be expected.

I noticed there was a definite motif in the episode of straight lines separating the screen. The most obvious was when Walt and Skyler were talking, toward the end, the pillar separated the two of them pretty dramatically. Later when Walt is watching Walt Jr. and walks away the window pane forms a line cutting across the screen. Finally, the final scene with Walt lying on his back, the open roof showed a line right through the middle of him. I am not sure what it all means, but it seemed pretty intentional.

Yes, the leveling with himself (and with Skyler), putting aside the self-justification, was crucial. I don’t think people would be praising the finale if Gilligan hadn’t included that scene. (And Gilligan is very much to be praised for the entire achievement that is Breaking Bad.)

Yes. I think that’s at the root of the ‘not quite satisfied’ reactions that some are posting. As many have noted, Walter was calm and at peace throughout the finale. There’s something about this that nags at us, and I think this is what it is:

No matter how frequently or vociferously it’s mentioned that Walter died with his son hating him and his reputation shredded and his body wracked with cancer….the fact is: he died with a smile on his face.

The entire duration of the finale, Walter had peace of mind. He’d accomplished what he set out to do in the very beginning: provide for his family. True, his family wasn’t with him at the end. But he had peace of mind. He smiled as he died.

The reason this bothers us, I think, is that Walter’s crimes were very unlike the crimes of someone like Macbeth (mentioned earlier in this thread as a parallel). Macbeth kills at least nine people in the name of his ambition. But what Macbeth doesn’t do is produce something that will kill thousands.

Walter has been making his money off something that isn’t really a recreational substance. It’s not like being a vintner, making wine that some will abuse but that most will enjoy…meth isn’t a ‘take it or leave it’ sort of substance. And Walter’s own rationalization–that if he doesn’t make it, someone else will–is belied by the storyline of the show. No one could make meth that was as pure and effective as Walter made, and the very quality of his product, logically, would have ensnared many more users than would have been the case had he not been cooking away.

I’m not trying to preach a sermon about meth; I’m pointing out that most of us know these facts–and were (I think) on some level bothered by the fact that they were simply ignored in the course of giving us a finale with a Walter who could die with a smile on his face.

In short: it’s his peace of mind that bothers us.

I think this could have been repaired by as little as one shot. Walter could have seen a headline somewhere (paper, television, or Internet) that mentioned some recent statistic on the number of deaths by heart attack, stroke, convulsions, etc., attributable to the product Walter had perfected and produced in large quantity. He could have reacted to it. Cranston is certainly up to the job of displaying some brand of shame or regret without resorting to cliché. He wouldn’t have had to dwell on it…but he should have felt it. For at least a moment.

I think that if some such moment had been included in the finale, it would have provided a counterpoint to the Peace of Mind choice that was probably inevitable, given the nature of episodic television.

At the end of a two-hour movie we can accept an anti-hero dying in mental anguish. But television is different. A mass audience wouldn’t accept mental anguish as the last moments of a character we’ve followed for over sixty episodes spanning nearly six years. Angry Defiance or Resigned Acceptance might each have worked for Walter’s last moments, as an alternative to Peace of Mind. But if Walter had died in full awareness of the misery he’d inflicted on thousands (not just on those he personally committed violence upon)–then today’s reviews for the finale would be outraged and contemptuous, instead of admiring and congratulatory.

Given that the realities of episodic TV meant that Walter was NOT going to die in mental anguish…the omission of at least some mention of what the character wrought, I think, is bothering many of us. The Peace of Mind aspect of the finale doesn’t seem fully….appropriate.

Shallow in what context? They were coming home after going out to dinner. What would non-shallow people be talking about? World Peace? World Hunger? The inevitable collision between the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies that will surely destroy everything we know?

Should have bet you! :wink: