Yet he had a 100 round mag…a standard thing for casual hunters and sportsmen to have?
If this is true both shootings were from students who should have been treated for mental illness and banned from gun purchases.
I understand the need to keep kids out of the prison system but mental health issues need to be treated seriously.
No, he did not have 100 round mag. He had (2) 50 round mags rigged together. The police said there were multiple modifications made to the gun but they haven’t specified what they were.
I’ve heard on NPR he had a 100 round drum. But even still, if you are right, does a casual hunter/sportsman have even 1 50 round mag? Let alone taping 2 together?
I don’t know about a casual hunter (perhaps something similar chambered in .22LR for small game?), but I know lots of casual target shooters that have high-capacity magazines, either the drum style or the Surefire extended magazine variety.
That simply is not going to happen until there is a major shift in society, moving away frm the stigma attached to mental health issues.
DailyMail.co.uk is reporting that the guy shot with the sister was not a boyfriend, but a friend of the shooter:
Also, it appears that Charles Beard was a white guy, so I don’t think the “interracial couple” angle suggested earlier is a plausible motive at this point.
Nm, this isn’t the gun debate thread.
This story just got even more disturbing. They’re taking down references to the band. Certainly don’t want this guy getting any more attention.
People that are reported to have known the shooter paint him out to be a pretty disturbing individual. A classmate reportedly said that he had plans to shoot up the high school back when he was there. Since the shooter was aged 24 at death, that means that would have been going back at least six years ago. He seems to fit the profile of someone who might do a mass shooting.
The Twitter profile alleged to be that of the shooter showed someone who was an undeniably politicized individual - in his own words, he was a “leftist”. He also seemed to be rather nihilistic and extreme in his outlook on life.
There is no direct evidence yet that this mass shooting was political in nature. No manifesto was released beforehand by the shooter. The targets also do not seem political in nature - people in a bar, with six out of nine victims being black (so not a sort of alt-right bar, or obvious “antifa” target). There is also the fact that the shooter’s sister was one of the victims, which suggests that the motive might have been personal rather than political.
Whether or not this was intended by the shooter to have been seen as a “political” action, like how the El Paso shooter had in mind with his “manifesto” and choice of target, it seems quite possible that this individual, somewhat extreme to start with, could have been made more extreme by the extreme political climate of our time.
It seems the line between a “general” mass shooter and “political” mass shooter can be blurry, and it is not always easy to extricate how much politics is a factor in each case. I think we need to know more facts about the shooter’s motive before certifying that the Dayton shooting was an act of terrorism, like the El Paso shooting was.
Here’s the full interview with Jesse Creekbaum. He is the songwriter for the band.
Another quote. I can relate to the shock of a bandmate committing a crime like this.
Connor Betts sang with them on gigs. He didn’t record with them on their albums.
the common connection between this and the Florida school shooting is mental health issues that were not properly addressed.
t’s been a recent trend in the education system to bypass the legal system to keep kids out of prison. It’s a noble idea that has merit. Kids do stupid things. But kids with serious violent issues can’t be fast tracked away from the court or mental health system. It’s not fair to anyone concerned.
If it isn’t addressed then nothing will change.
So are you for or against socialized healthcare?
I read Sue Klebold’s book when it came out a couple years ago. I’m going to spoiler the following for reasons that will be obvious if you choose to read it.
When Eric Harris’ computer was analyzed after Columbine, they found a journal where he said that the main thing he was looking forward to at college was the opportunity to pick up drunk girls at bars and parties, take them back to his dorm room, and rape them. I don’t know what, if any, sexual experience he and Dylan Klebold had in their lifetimes, but yeah, he did the world a big favor by taking himself out. Just wish he’d done it first.
If the boy in this recent case from my area is ever let out, I suspect we’ll be reading about him in a decade or so. His parents will be going on trial later this year, because his father is a convicted felon and should not have owned firearms.
More information about the shooter is being discovered. Probably not a Trump fan.
This guy is such an enigma. Drives to the bar with his best friend and sister. Then guns them down during his rampage.
Wikipedia (citing Washington Post article):
Non sequitur.
Moderator Note
Let’s keep the political issues out of Breaking News threads, please. Feel free to discuss this in Great Debates.
The shooter’s sorta-ex-girlfriend wrote a fair bit about him and their (weird) relationship: My Ex-Boyfriend was the Dayton Shooter