Brexit and the Irish Border Conundrum

I can’t even say IrExit.

Iexit sounds like an Apple app.

You seem to be assuming that something would turn on the answer. Nothing would. The UK doesn’t, in general, have laws which treat “foreign” companies differently from “local” companies.

The answer to your question is that the Irish company would be regarded for UK purposes as a non-resident company. Just as it is today. Just as it always has been.

Again, your question seems to assume that the UK has laws that would adversely affect shipping services provided by foreign shipowners. Again, no. Ferry operators need (I’m guessing) to be licensed, but there aren’t different licensing regimes for UK-owned and foreign-owned operators.

The Ireland Act is irrelevant to this. In pre-EU days the Ireland Act didn’t give Irish business privileged access to UK markets, and it didn’t prevent the imposition of tarriffs, customs, on goods coming from Ireland. The Ireland Act isn’t about trade, but about the status of Irish citizens entering or residing in the UK.

If you’re under the impression that Ireland has always been a part of the UK internal market, so to speak, and that Brexit threatens and end to this for the first time, your impression is wrong.

The open border is a wonderful fudge which lets unionists feel they are part of the UK and nationalists feel they are part of a proto-unitedish Ireland .

It really is. It’s practically a Chinese, er, Irish wall.

In other news:

Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs, although other job loss estimates range from 10,000 to 200,000.

OECD report: “A UK exit (Brexit) would be a major negative shock to the UK economy, with economic fallout in the rest of the OECD, particularly other European countries. In some respects, Brexit would be akin to a tax on GDP, imposing a persistent and rising cost on the economy that would not be incurred if the UK remained in the EU.”

Almost 10,000 EU health workers have quit NHS since Brexit vote.

It’s all going swimmingly.

That article starts out “Around 10,000 EU nationals have quit the NHS since the Brexit referendum, it has emerged.” Am I the only one that was a bit surprised to see the phrase “EU nationals”?

HurricanDikta:

http://ec.europa.eu/justice/citizen/index_en.htm

The EU has freedom of movement. It was not that long along that a large number of East and Central European countries joined the EU after the fall of communism. So it is not surprising that a lot of them, as well as people from poor economies in Southern Europe moved to the wealthier countries including Britain for better job prospects.

Refresh my recollection, the UK has the doctrine “No Parliament may bind another,” right? :dubious: Your answer doesn’t allow “in the bowels of Christ” (to quote a former English leader) for the possibility that the electorate may actually and earnestly change its collective mind. Parliament can’t be bound, but the referendum-voting public is stuck with its Brexit vote for all time? :rolleyes:

UK citizens (as well as the citizens of the other EU countries) are also citizens of the EU. Some of us are a bit miffed at getting the latter citizenship stripped from us by a shitty advisory referendum.

The “foreign rapists” thing isn’t made up. South Asians in the UK (what the government statistics call “Asian”) have an 11 to 12 fold higher rate of statutory rape, in cases where the race of the offender is known, than ethnic British people. This is a liberal Pakistani journalist citing British government numbers on the matter.

I mean, Eastern European countries do plenty of trade with China and have extremely tough immigration policies. So does Japan for that matter.

Good thing they’re leaving the European Union. That’s sure to get rid of all the South Asian rapists.

I do wonder if there is anything that could make Quartz acknowledge that Brexit is a mistake that ought to be reversed.

‘I decided to drink this bowl of dirty toilet water, and I am going to do it.’

‘I have since learned that the bowl also contains cyanide, despite being told there was none in there, but the people have spoken (apparently)’
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In case there’s a board rule against pointless content free posts, let me stress that the lack of content in this post is the point.

Another month seems to have drifted past without any further details on HMG’s ‘magic invisible customs boundary’. Perhaps the details have been published in a magic invisible report?

Tick tock, as they say in Brabant.

Isn’t there some town or towns near the Ireland/NI border (can’t remember which side) where the main roads to and from it all cross the border? If I’m remembering that correctly, they must be mightily pissed off about the whole thing.

In other news: number of EU nurses coming to UK suffers big fall since Brexit, “big fall” being 89%. Combined with all the ones leaving (as noted above) and the fact that there is a massive shortage in UK doctors and nurses, it is not unreasonable to expect waitlists for health services to skyrocket. But at least we can contemplate all that new sovereignty we have while we wait.

Weird that Brexit has made a United Ireland more likely than it was at any point previously in my lifetime. I think Brexit will be a disaster for Britain and probably will mess up Ireland too. Northern Irish loyalists who voted for Brexit are apparently applying for Irish passports in droves, cake and eat it hypocritical bullshit. The EU is not perfect but most realistic alternatives are worse.

That would be Drummully, Co. Monaghan.

That’s extremely wishful thinking.

We’ll see. I do think things will be tougher in the short term, but what happens in the longer term is anyone’s guess. A lot of Brexit voters think that Britain will be better off. Time will tell.

Cite?

Is this FT article from January the source of your claim that people are applying for Irish passports in droves? The population of Northern Ireland is 1.8M. 65K applications is down in the noise. Hardly droves.

With regards to Brexit, Guido Fawkes is reporting that the (Civil Service) Office for National Statistics have found that Britain is happier after the vote.

I can’t read your cite, it is behind a firewall, but it is an initial relatively large increase, before whatever restrictions have yet been put in place.

People in NI and Britain entitled to an Irish passport who go on regular Spain/Greece etc. sun holidays or whatever would be mad not to apply if there is anything more than minor inconvenience attached to British Passport holder travel in the EU post-Brexit.
I haven’t held a passport in a number of years because I’m not a regular holiday maker but people in these isles have long since taken it for granted they can flit to wherever in the EU in a streamlined fashion.