Yesterday I found out a that a pit thread against me had been posted by the pussy who goes by the apt name of “ambushed”. It was started on October 8. You all weighed in on it, with at least some negative comments directed toward me. I do not hold this against you, as you were relying on the information supplied by the OP, and I don’t expect someone to go back and reread a 12 page thread to get the full story. Even if you had the full story, they might be negative, but at least I would have had the benefit of defending myself.
Yesterday I offered a rebuttal that I think goes to counter some of the negative comments you had. I won’t post it here, as to avoid having competing threads on the same topic. The post is now a little stale and no longer has even the meager attention it did, so I post this here and now to act as a flag. And to ask you to weigh in again, this time with a fuller explanation of what transpired.
The issue is whether ambushed’s claim that the founders “fought tooth and nail” over keeping religion out of the Declaration of Independence was adequately proven by quotes he cited from a book by Susan Jacoby. Both **tomndebb, Cheesesteak, ** and Campion presented what I consider a fair defense of the main issue. I expand on it in my rebuttal, as well as show that my answer, when taken in totality, was not as dismissive as “ambushed” portrayed. John Mace did not weigh in on the issue itself.
I care not what someone like ambushed thinks, but I do have great respect for many of this board, from varying ideologies, so I appreciate your time.
I’ve reviewed the materials per your request. Provided, that is, you were talking to me. Yes, my screen name is hard to spell.
I think that you shouldn’t have dismissed the cite completely. And I think that poor phrasing got you in trouble.
This:
Sounds a lot like this generic position that comes up in political type threads:
I think that since we tend to see a lot of those kinds of threads around here, your response looked worse than it really was. I think what you meant to say was something like this:
Now, I still think it was unreasonable for you to completely dismiss the cite. The kind of cite you wanted might have been found within the book if you’d taken a look at a hard copy of it. I certainly don’t think that the absence of the kind of cite you want helps prove your argument, either. But I’m not really that interested in the subject matter of the original thread, so none of that matters.
I will retract the part about it being nice not to have to be wrong (the part pertaining to the misinterpretation of that one sentence). Most of my post was about citations generally. I still believe the cite had some merit, so don’t think you’ve won.
Sorry about the name, the “L” is just below the “O”. I think we disagree on the issue of cites in general. I do not think it is reasonable to expect someone to read a book for every book that is cited. There is more information now in both the pit thread and the original thread, if you’re interested.
But I thank you for taking the time to review what you have.
Sorry to weigh in so late, but I haven’t done a vanity search in a month, and I haven’t looked back on the trainwreck you started in. I just wanted to pop in to say:
What the hell am I doing on this list? I agreed with you…
What am I doing on this list? I was arguing with TomnDebb about the fundamental issue, didn’t have a thing to say about you. And my post is my cite, there.
magellan01, I missed this thread when it first appeared, because I was out of the country. Now that I’ve reviewed the relevant thread, and going by my vague recollection, I think I unfairly insulted you without spending enough time to see what you had actually said (instead just going by what ambushed said). I apologize for that, and will be more considerate in the future.
Yikes! So sorry. In my attempt to be all-inclusive I was too all-inclusive. I should have cited you singularly for you excellent insight and superior intellect.
I appreciate both you taking time to revisit this, especially after so long a time when it wold have been so easy to sweep it under the rug, and your apology. Thank you.
Yes, my screen name is hard to spell.
