Bringing intelligence to America

Great Debates
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America is without doubt the most counter-intelligent society on earth; simply by virtue of its data flooding and its natural urge to leave terms open ended for corruption. Almost every sentence uttered on all mediums that pass over the eyes of American citizens are counter-intelligently designed; and so easily collapsed logically, that it is quite clear why wealth has become centrated so. The immorality of this practice and why it works so well. Why it is supreme in potency, is basically a dissertation on the nature of how contradiction emerges extra energy from complexity; down to the core of reality itself; nullifying the purpose of pursuing such ends… but I digress here.

The proposal:

A mechanical suicide machine (operable only from the inside)placed in every city of the United States is the only moral and logical solution to a society which places capitolism as necessity. The purpose of capitolism is to abstract new resource and create more work. The reason people work; is to create more cognitive space and less work. One is ideology; the other is natural law, and the two are diametrically opposed.

In the instance where counter-intelligence is the selective factor of success in society; immorality rests soley upon the class of individuals charged with this violation.

Mechanical suicide machines are a logical application of technology and the ‘promise’ of liberty. It is determined that an indentured system cannot be reverse engineered by the mechanism of drug inducement or propoganda, should such a physical logical application of technology be available to the general public. Those who do not utilize such a device possess indentured systems beyond the threshold of existential collapse from slavery; and are considered the logical components of the slavery required for the concentration of wealth.

Either America must re-write its constitution with stronger more articulate language of social contract and transparency; or it must, by virtue of its opposing ideal; optimize the effect of this mechanism by allowing amnesty for those who are logically inclined. This will increase profits and decrease suffering.

Those who should step forward to deny this action are aknowledged the right of free-speech; however, it is noted that they are the beneficiaries of those who are living because painless and guaranteed methods of suicide are not sanctioned by regulatory standards of efficiency and painlessness. Their words cannot seek to have an effect, because of the intelligent nature of such devices; therefor their quarrels are noted as insignificant in terms of undue coersion. The profits of industry that feed off of those on the brink of existential collapse will by necessity be forced to exit themselves or adjust their profession.

The illegality of suicide is an impingement on civil liberty; on logical application of liberty and the obviousness of technological application where within. The illegality of suicide is cruel and unusual punishment in a society advanced enough to build efficient machines with standardization. The illegality of suicide is cruel and unusual punishment in the instance that the indentured systems of people are being exploited to move them through waves of endless suffering against their wills; the exploitation of this mechanism through chemical infusion and processing of air, food, water and all outlets of media evidenced to operate soley on determined counter-intelligence algorhythms. Maintaining suicide illegality in such a defined state is so brutal, as to count a worse form of intentional genocide than all combined throughout the course of history. This is the practice of savagery; perversion, and an irreconcialable indentured system hooked autonomously to the exploitation of counter-intelligence algorhythms without command level access. On behalf of the logically consistant and rationalcommunity of society, it is declared necessary that you issue this decree of construction for suicide machines, or you will risk the compromise of your lifestyle and possibly your sentience through a battle of such fierce psychological warfare, you will wish you had never been born.

This is a plea for peace, in the aknowledgement that you are suitably damaged to such a degree of counter-intelligence; that your life would endure a fraction of sufering not suitable to your constitution. It is hereby decided, that the lesser of two evils is to bow out. It is our expressed natural right and demand that our taxes be used to such means.

-Justhink

hmm… weird, that came out kinda formal and stuff

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Wow, that’s either a modest proposal or a bullshit one.

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Y’know, without coming down on any paticular side of this…

(And I hate to come across like my personal feelings are more important than free speech, here or anywhere else)

Was today really the best day to post an OP like this?

[sub]Seriously, if it’s dark humor, I’m sorry, man, I missed the joke. And I normally like dark humor.[/sub]

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“”“Was today really the best day to post an OP like this?”""

Come to think of it… probably not; I don’t want it associated with that at all! I’m not trying to make a 9/11 statement here; the damn media has created a do as I say not as I do" dynamic; where they can stomp all over the event for gain; but average joe can’t; a counter-intelligence coup. That’s my only comment to that regard though.

-Justhink"

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“Wow, that’s either a modest proposal or a bullshit one.”

It is a proposal of sorts. Basically, intelligence is bowing out, but in the process, bargaining a viable liberty consistant with its constitutional make-up, in exchange for peaceful surrender.

Intelligence can offer:
-All the human determinism technology that America could ever dream of to create a worldwide shroud of capitolistic dominance.
-All the resource abstraction algorhythms it could ever dream of to perpeuate a capitolistic system.
-All the technology extraction algorhythms it could dream of to maintain global superiority, and a perpetual state of purpose amongst the perpetrators.

The condition is that legislation be passed to make suicide legal; and that suicide machines be placed in every American city. The legislation itself would more than pay for itself; and the additional collateral would make turning down the offer, insane. Not that the bargaining party is particularly sane; but in a cute cave-man sort of way; I’m sure they’d sign it into legislation while scratching their heads a bit about the ‘odd’ demands. Telling them they won; we surrender is part of the sacrifice one must make to bridge the communication barrier, certainly it will make perfect sense to them, as the effectiveness of the technology proves itself as was promised.

Intelligence has earned freedom for its kind, while striking a bargain with cognitive retardation (“because I can say it, it must be true” “Because I can do it, and it works, it must be right”).

It is fundamentally aknowledging that there is no actual point towards educating or even attempting to educate humans who are existentially bound by counter-intelligence. It is actually cruel to do so. The logical solution, is to minimize the cruelty on all sides - protecting the rights of future cognitive geniuses, and protecting the counter-intelligent self-fulfilling validations of the cognitively demented. It works out quite well!

-Justhink

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I’m beginning to think Justhink is actually an experimental form of artificial intelligence that utilizes a random sentence-generating program.

I just hope the beta version comes improved with an editing plug-in.

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I was going to relegate this to email, but since my first statement was made ‘in public’, as it were, it’s only fair that I say this on the boards, too.

Forget it. I actually wasn’t linking this to the events of a year ago. I opened the thread, not guessing from the title what it was gonna concern. And it just struck me as a bit, well, in bad taste, I guess. Considering the date in question, and the topic of the post. Again, I didn’t think you were making any kind of parallel. The only valid complaint I guess I could make is that the thread title’s not descriptive enough. And “Bringing intelligence to America through Voluntary Suicide” would be too long winded anyway.

Chalk it up to my insomnia, and being a bit down, impairing my judgement. (Yeah, I’m sleep deprived, and apparently oversensitive.) IOW, mea culpa. I should have had the sense to stay out of GD this morning. Back to MPS for me.

[sub]I hate it when my knee almost knocks the keyboard off my desk. Carry on.[/sub]

[sub]And just for good measure, it took me until about 2 minutes past the server shutdown to type out this reply, which I tried to resubmit three times before I realized why it wasn’t going through. Phooey. I need coffee.[/sub]

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Nice to see that the OP isn’t going against the status quo.

Marc

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My god, I usually figure Oregon as being more moderate but this really makes me stop and refuse to think.

Anyone ever notice how the folks offering these kinds of ideas to better the world/nation through selective suicide never offer themselves up for the project? Of course they come up with the circular logic that as they are able to see the problem and offer the concept then they must be too good for it to apply to them.

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Hmmm have you considered that individuals who choose to use such machines may leave behind dependant minors who would be a burden on the state (or are you proposing that we simply toss them in the meat grinder too?).

I strongly suspect that suicide may have other costly implications both for the state and for private business; you seem (and I say this partly because once again either the concept itself or your presentation of it is not entirely transparent) to have assumed (falsely, IMO) that suicide machines would only rid us of unproductive elements.

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Is there anyone else who has no idea - at all - how this OP is in any way, shape, or form, constructed from a logical human mind? I read it twice, and I can find no logical progression at all. I see random jumps from Capitolism to American political systems to suicide.

ANd does anyone else wonder where he got the idea thjat suicide is illegal? “ASSISTED” suicide is illegal - because it is considered murder (and rightly so, I think, but that is another debate).

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This is as far as I got.

The words are English, but I don’t think they are being used in any sense that I recognize.

I don’t think I will be ripping into this one. Logical fallacies and trolling are one thing; schizophrenia is another.

Justhink, I apologize for mocking you in a Pit thread.

Regards,
Shodan

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What’s “capitolism”? Sounds like something President Bush may need. Does he have a suicide machine in the White House? Does Saddam Hussein have one?

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In the day we sweat it out in the streets of a runaway American dream
At night we ride through mansions of glory in suicide machines
Sprung from cages out on highway 9,
Chrome wheeled, fuel injected and steppin’ out over the line
(Hooooh)
Baby this town rips the bones from your back
It’s a death trap, it’s a suicide rap
We gotta get out while we’re young
`Cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run

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Mmm, tastes like crazy.

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Well, I bothered to read the OP through twice, and I think I get the premise: Soylent green is people!

Er, no, I mean the premise is that social costs would be lower if there were easy means available for people to commit suicide, rather than abuse drugs or the people around them, or commit various other crimes against their fellows.

There, didn’t take five hundred words to spit it out, now, did it?

Justhink, you’ve got to try a lot harder to be clear, man. I’m sure you know exactly what you have in mind when you speak about things like “resource abstraction” and “counter-intelligence algorythms”, but I assure you that the majority of readers haven’t a bleedin’ clue what you are on about. You’d get a lot more respect around here if you would can the ten-dollar words and get to the point. Not that anyone would be more likely to agree with you, but that’s a different subject entirely.

Now, on to a few points raised in the OP:

Crap. I seriously doubt you have ever left these shores. Try spending some time in, say, Angola, then come back and tell me which society is “counter-intelligent”.

Firstly, I don’t agree that people universally work just to give themselves more time to think, if that’s what you are saying. A nice, high-minded ideal, maybe. Secondly, since when is capitalism (note the second ‘a’) a 'natural law?

Got a cite on where in this country suicide is actually illegal? I mean, who would you prosecute, especially if the suicide attempt were successful? If you are referring to insurance clauses that refuse to pay off in event of suicide, that has nothing to do with legality, does it?

Suicide shouldn’t be easy; a lot of people make a spur-of-the-moment choice to attempt it when they are in a state of extreme agitation, and later regret it. Why would we want to lose their potential contributions though making such an act of desparation even more of an offhand choice than it is now?

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I’d have to disagree. It would take too much processing power to throw in the random misspellings and homonym confusions.
I would also have to disagree with the premise that easier suicide would improve society. This actually sounds an awful lot like the arguments used to justify “racial purification” and “removal of undesirables” and “destroying the enemies of the people.” Not so much in how it would be carried out, but in the assumption that people that Justhink considers undesirable will be the one to do themselves in.
If I am reading the gibberish correctly, Justhink seems to be under the impression that there are zillions of people who are incredibly tired of life, for whom life is torture, and that all of these poor souls are being restrained from suicide by the evil powers of U.S. law - and that they would kill themselves in an instant if they but had legal freedom to do so and access to an easy (government supplied) method to end it all. He also seems to be suggesting that this would be beneficial to capitalism, and at the same time implying that capitalism is a bad thing.

Justhink:
If you really mean what you seem to be saying, then I suggest you print out the OP, and visit a mental health professional. This is not intended as an insult. I think that something is seriously wrong here, and that you need help.
I have read several of your postings, and they are all disjointed, illogical, and radical in the extreme. They come across as the ravings of a loon in dire need of the medication he forgot to take.
If I am misunderstanding you, and you have some other reason for formulating your posts the way you do, then I apologize beforehand for implying that you are not in your right mind.

To the moderators:
I sincerely do not mean the above as an insult. I am concerned about Justhink, and this last posting makes me wonder if he is entertaining dark thoughts of suicide machines and his own use of one.

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While I completely agree that this OP is complete and utter nonsense, I’ll make a slight nitpick that in Oregon (where the poster, and myself, are from), Doctor Assisted Suicide IS legal. That law has been contested by pretty much the whole country, but it stands.

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Right, death is the answer to everything, if someone disagrees with you, kill them. If someone looks at you funny kill them. If someone doesn’t contribute to society, kill them. Sure, I realize your proposal doesn’t promote killing people, rather people taking themselves out. As someone mentioned above, what about those people who were in a sudden spur of the moment depression and decided to end it all. Some of the most intelligent people I’ve met suffer from severe depression, I can’t say I’d like to see them walking down the street everyday and have to look at a “End all of your suffering now sign.” :frowning:

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First of all, it’s capitAlism.

Second, all of your base are belong to us.
Seriously, dude, I have no idea of what the hell it is you’re saying…