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Huh… I missed that from your original statement.
This kind of thing reminds me of the Simpsons episode where they turn their house into a youth hostel for german tourists. There’s this scene where one of the germans is just literally listing XXX number of things wrong with a America and Marge just has to roll her eyes and continue cleaning up after them.
People can level critiscm at the States and most Americans are expected to shoe gaze and just shrug where if it were reversed it is BAM! “Arrogant Americans! How dare they!”
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I thought it was the other way around. Really, it’s pretty simple. Whoever criticizes you is arrogant. Whoever thinks you’re criticism of them is arrogant is unreasonable. That’s true for everybody.
Let’s see, this is the country that had to have IRA statements read by actors because they weren’t going to allow terrorists air time. Maybe they aren’t allowed to kill the poodle on TV, but it’s okay to do his master.
I passionately hate Bush, but this is a bit much. I cry, no scream, bullshit on anyone who even suggests this could be done in good taste.
A can be seen, lots of people get pissed off when they are misrepresented or are criticised. The US is no exception.
Where do you get the solipsistic idea that only the poor wee pushed down Americans are expected not to react? Of course you are. What happens is “you” as a nation react, and get told to lighten up by everyone else. Same as every other nation does. IOW, what saoirse said. Strikes me as navel-gazing to think it’s only your nation that is expected to suck it up.
Huh. I thought we expected criticism of aspects of America to be defended by Americans through counterarguments, not accusations and denial. My mistake.
I would watch it primarily because, unlike most Americans, I am deeply interested in how we’re viewed by the rest of the world. I wouldn’t enjoy it, however – I always wince when I stumble across any assassination/attempt documentary stuff on TV.
Now, a documentary that has Bush sobbing as he confesses he started the war in Iraq only because he was bored with Afghanistan and because Dick Cheney dared him to … that I would watch over and over and over again. Especially if he was led away in handcuffs at the end of it.
What I meant to say was that, unlike the assassination movie (which I would watch, but would probably make me a little queasy) I would immensely enjoy watching one that has Bush sobbing. That’s why I would watch it over and over …
As for my fellow USA’ns who think we’re expected to humbly accept criticism: I’d say 9/11 was a pretty nasty criticism of us, and we sure as hell didn’t take that lying down, did we? Come on – we’re the 800-lb gorilla. We do as we damn please, accept the consequences, and keep doing it. I can imagine the British filmmakers saying, “Well, this is going to cause an unholy shitstorm across the Pond, now, isn’t it? Batten the hatches, mates, here it comes!”
I don’t care how loud you cry, no, scream, bullshit. I think it’s possible, and I don’t know why people try to law down the law like this on the subject of art.
That said, I’m not expecting it to be in good taste - basically I figure the movie will shoot Bush to criticize what his administration has done to fearmongering America - but I have to admit I don’t much care. These kinds of stories could be handled well if people wanted to do them that way.
As much as I dislike Bush I have no desire to see him murdered :rolleyes: (imagine the utter nightmare of President Cheney :eek: ). That being said I love mockumentaries and will definately see this. The question it who’s going to show it in the US? I’m guessing with a premium cable channel or it’ll go straight to DVD.
I don’t think its just a hatchet-job, and I’m strongly pro-Bush. From what I’ve read it does seem like a legitimite alternate-future kind of thing (with an obvious anti-Bush hook to reel in that crowd).
After reading this article my reaction to the scenario is, um ok, aside from Bush’s death when does the bad stuff happen?
Can we get some perspective here? I seem to remember an american film a few years ago where you wiped out our entire Royal Family so we could have a fat guy in charge. It’s just a tv show. They’re not really going to shoot him you know!
In all seriousness, it seems that the States is (are?) in a position where we’re dealing with some over-reaction to a pretty significant event, one that will probably be seen as far more tragic than the assassination of W. In spite of a massive minority of Americans who will want to respond to an assassination with murderous actions, it seems unlikely that there’ll be political support for the sort of reprisals listed in the article above. It certainly seems hard to believe that such an assassination could reasonably be compared to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
It would be interesting to see a sober scenario analysis of a possible assassination and the effects that it’d have. I’m curious what those who’ve seen it have to say.
Do you mean King Ralph? Yeah, that’s exactly like this.
I’d love to see Bush removed from office in leg-irons, but I don’t wish death on him; I find this in extremely poor taste. I’d feel the same way if someone made a movie that featured, in brutal and realistic detail and using actual names and locations, someone murdering me.
I suppose there’s a way to do it with taste and artistic integrity, and maybe it will be done that way; nonetheless, there’s a whiff of audience wish-fulfillment about this that doesn’t sit right with me. Maybe I’m imagining it.
From the description of the programme, the obvious parallel is with JFK. Not for political reasons, but because of the relationship with the media. Everyone remembers where they were when JFK was shot, and all those people will also remember when they first saw the footage.
It’s legitimate to speculate ‘if Bush was assissinated, how would the media deal with it?’ They didn’t know how to deal with 9/11, so just had the planes crashing into the WTC on loop for hours. We wouldn’t get that with the Bush assassination, because they’ve learned their lesson. Maybe get ‘expert analysis’ about possible plots, on loop for hours. (On the other hand, Youtube and the conspiracy nut-jobs would be doing great business.) In the ensuing days and weeks, what would be the reaction of the media?
Oh, I guess I wasn’t clear. In the second article (the link that I quoted) was where the comparison was made. The article is a short speculative piece by a historian about the possible effects of such an assassination. Sorry about not being clear.
Is that the subject of the film? Or is it about political ramifications? (Both questions assume the film is actually a serious flick. )
Regardless, I couldn’t agree more. I don’t see it as in bad taste and an interesting exercise. Indeed, recently I was exposed to scenario planning, and it makes sense to get people thinking about reasonable possible events in the future. Rather than sensationalist global-disaster flicks, asking some serious questions seems like a good use of broadcast time.
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