Brock Lesnar - even more stupid than he looks

[ElvisL1ves]

@ShibbOleth

Those credentials do qualify you to be governor of Minnesota, so don’t deride them so quickly.

Change “pro wrestler” to “beauty pageant contestant” and you’re qualified for even more.

[Dinsdale]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Octagon.

Thanks man.
Typed it a couple of times both ways.
Neither really looked right, but was too lazy to look it up.

[Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco]

@stuthehistoryguy

I do note the hypocrisy of those who say the HC systems shouldn’t be judged by anecdote, however. Seems to me the UHCers have been parrotting sob stories about people dying and going bankrupt for years. One counterexample–ill-thought as it may be–is just part of the dialogue.

I personally think they can be judged by anecdote. Often times it’s all we have to go on as to what exactly the problems are with a system. But anecodotes like this should shoot anti-UHCers in the foot really, shouldn’t it? How does ‘I am slightly unhappy with the healthcare I received in Canada’ even begin to compare with ‘my husband died and I went bankrupt with the healthcare I received in the US’?

If they’re looking for good counterexamples, they better find some fucking good ones. Well, they better not really, but you catch my drift.

[Kobal2]

So a guy who makes his living by taking solid shots to the face turns out to be brain addled ? How utterly shocking. Clearly Cecil hisself should investigate.

@RNATB

Octagon.

NIGGA, WHO TAUGHT YOU “OCTAGON” ?!

(first Doper to get the reference wins a lap dance by my lovely assistant, Mrs. Shub-Niggurath)

[Godinama]

@Kobal2

NIGGA, WHO TAUGHT YOU “OCTAGON” ?!

(first Doper to get the reference wins a lap dance by my lovely assistant, Mrs. Shub-Niggurath)

Chris Rock talking about a slave (I think) getting pulled over by a cop for running a stop sign. Cop goes didn’t you see the stop sign? To which the guy replies “oh, you mean that octagon thing?” And then the cop says

NIGGA WHO TAUGHT YOU OCTAGON

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

'Cause he wasn’t supposed to be able to read.

[emacknight]

There are two things I’d like to know:
1.) How much did Brock’s treatment cost, first in ND and then at Mayo.
2.) If Brock, with now multiple pre-existing conditions, wanted to get private health insurance, how much would that cost?

For those on the anti-UHC side of things, what you don’t realize is that if a person is unable to get the treatment they need in Canada, the government will pay for them to get the treatment they need in the US.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@emacknight

2.) If Brock, with now multiple pre-existing conditions, wanted to get private health insurance, how much would that cost?

He had a cervical fusion in 2002ish, so probably a lot.

[emacknight]

You know what would be true poetic justice, if Brock’s insurance denied his claim. You know both the ND Hospital and the Mayo clinic were out of network, they’ll also have to cover his emergency visit in Canada.

He stated that he doesn’t want the surgery, but I bet he does. I’m sure the docs at Mayo sweet talked him into the most expensive operation they have, using the latest in micro-laser technology.

Too bad he chose the Definity High Deductible plan and has to choose from the crappy in-network options (I’m looking at you HCMC).

Now that I think of it, I bet the whole “hunting trip” was a farce. I bet he heard that Canada had free healthcare and figured universal included him. So he shows up at the hospital only to find out that he’ll be out of pocket for treatment. He’s so upset he goes back to North Dakota and makes up this elaborate story.

[dropzone]

@emacknight

Sounds like someone is looking to run for President, or at least Palin’s VP.

All that is needed to put the kibosh on that is an ad that shows him astride an opponent’s butt and shoving forward while boxing the guy’s ears. If my gay friends were “rough trade” they might not be offended if I called UFC the gayest sport ever, but it is the creepiest, gay or straight.

[Miller]

@Sinaijon

I think it’s a valid point. One big argument for UHC is the ‘universal’ part. Everybody receives the same quality of care. Nobody gets preferential treatment because they are rich, well located, etc.

Prior to this post, has anyone ever actually made this argument?

[Iridescent_Orb]

Seems like those wily Canucks did a good job of ridding themselves of a problem patient. Perhaps there is something to be said for socialized medicine…

[PlainJain]

@MeanOldLady

And let us not forget his jujitsu is sub-par.

I think this point can not be overstated.

[KarlGauss]

@KarlGauss

Never going to happen (except, perhaps, anonymously). Officials from both the provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan have already refused comment (citing privacy laws). So, we don’t even what province he was talking about.

Jackmannii: You are referring, I trust, to the brute I spoke about in my OP.

Well, I’m wrong again. Despite my prediction of an information vacuum, we now find out that Lesnar went to the hospital in Brandon, Manitoba (pop. 43,000). In fact, the hospital is fighting back and has basically said that Lesnar is either lying or so stupid that he didn’t understand what the staff there were saying about his condition.

Story here.

[Shodan]

@Miller

Prior to this post, has anyone ever actually made this argument?

In this thread? ShibbOleth said the US health care system is exclusionary, which is close.

But I can’t believe you have never heard anyone argue that the US health system is unfair because poor people have to go to emergency rooms for treatment.

Regards,
Shodan

[Jack_Batty]

I think there’s a lesson to be learned here.

Obviously, all the sick poor people should just go to the Mayo Clinic for treatment, like Brock did.

[Bosstone]

@Shodan

But I can’t believe you have never heard anyone argue that the US health system is unfair because poor people have to go to emergency rooms for treatment.

This is, in fact, precisely the opposite of what Sinaijon said.

@Sinaijon

Everybody receives the same quality of care. Nobody gets preferential treatment because they are rich, well located, etc.

What you said is correct, Shodan. The idea for UHC is that everyone should have access to a base level of care regardless of status. Nothing in that implies that people with money should not have access to better than base level care, which is what Sinaijon said. In other words, it’s “bring the poor folk up,” not “keep the rich folk down.” The two are not equivalent.

[alice_in_wonderland]

@KarlGauss

Well, I’m wrong again. Despite my prediction of an information vacuum, we now find out that Lesnar went to the hospital in Brandon, Manitoba (pop. 43,000). In fact, the hospital is fighting back and has basically said that Lesnar is either lying or so stupid that he didn’t understand what the staff there were saying about his condition.

Story here.

Interesting. I actually have first hand knowledge of that particular hospital. I was born there. My mother was born there. My father gets cancer treatments there. When my grandmother was terminal she got end of life care there.

You know what? It’s a perfectly good hospital. It’s recently been fully renovated and has a full complement of medical equipment. I have no complaints about the service or treatment that any of my family members got there - the staff were generally competent, kind and involved.

I will point out that Brandon is a city of about 40,000 people, and Winnipeg - a much larger center - is 3 hours away. More complicated procedures are handled there.

Personally, my WAG is that Brock showed up at the Brandon Hospital. The Dr. diagnosed him with diverticulitis. Brock demanded an MRI to confirm. The Dr. so no, it’s not necessary, you have diverticulitis. Brock pouted because he didn’t get his own way, took his ball and went home. Went to the Mayo Clinic and got his MRI where they determined that he had…diverticulitis.

YMMV.

[Jack_Batty]

MMDV (My Mileage Doesn’t Vary) … that’s pretty much what was spelled out in KarlGauss’s link in post #54.

Pertinent passage:

*Towards the end of his press conference, Mr. Lesnar admitted that his comments were partly motivated by the ongoing political debate in the U.S. “The reason I’m saying that is because there’s millions of people that don’t want health care reform and I’m one of them,” he said. “I’m not a believer in socialism and I don’t want that going on.” *

[Shodan]

@Bosstone

This is, in fact, precisely the opposite of what Sinaijon said.

What you said is correct, Shodan. The idea for UHC is that everyone should have access to a base level of care regardless of status. Nothing in that implies that people with money should not have access to better than base level care, which is what Sinaijon said. In other words, it’s “bring the poor folk up,” not “keep the rich folk down.” The two are not equivalent.

I think we are comparing different things. Under UHC, it is alleged that there would not be the lower level of care experienced by those who have to rely on emergency rooms for their primary care. Canada has UHC. Brock Lesnar supposedly got the lower level of care.

I was not (and, AFAICT, Brock Lesnar was not) talking about gap insurance or extra care that the rich can purchase under some forms of UHC.

I recognize the difficulties of basing health care policies on the experiences of someone who gets kicked in the head for a living.

Regards,
Shodan