No. I think it’s apparent that Pat Robertson and his minions don’t pose any kind of threat.
I do think that the Imam who mentored the Ft Hood shooter is a threat.
you should know what you are burning
Here are 739 verses in the Koran of killings, burning alive, tortures, head and finger chopping, and other atrocities to numerous to mention.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/inj/long.html
Here is some sexy stuff that shows respect for women
“All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”
You can’t have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like). 4:24
Have sex with your women whenever, however, and as often as you like. 2:223
If your wife does not please you then beat her
4:34
Heaven is an orgy of youths, about 18 verses
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/sex/long.html
You may like this
“Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four.” 4:3
However Mohammad had 12 wives, a little special privilege here
Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 33:50-51
More stuff about women as they are half the worth of a man and women are to be hated, without repeating about 30 verses
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html
The Koran is not all that big, you pull all the hate and killing out of it, what is left is repeat to nausea praises to Allah and Mohammad, some silly myths, stuff that makes no senses at all even in Arabic, some stupid stories butchered out of the bible, and all arranged by chapter length so it has no flowing context or time line. Yes that is right, the verses are in no particular order. Broken thoughts are all over the place.
No wonder muslims get mad at you when you say a truth, what a stupid book but it makes for good fire starter.
Good luck to you.
Don
No book, huh? You want to try that again? Or maybe god needs a better press agent than Muhammad to get his ‘peaceful’ point across.
True, and to that Imam obmam has a death warant out for him to shoot on sight. This is one thing I support obama on if you can find him. The Imama has trained many muslim terrorist and he should be killed, and he is an American no less living over seas.
Don
As a point of interest how many did the KKK kill? About 3,853.
This reference could be correct, it is the most documented, dated, and itemized, but it never hurts to double check.
However it should be noted that the KKK by all main steam Christian churches is greatly condemned, and the title of Christian has been stripped from the organization by public opinion. The KKK are NOT Christians. And going by the bible NT I have to agree, they are NOT nor never have been a Christian organization, and to those KKK members that killed the innocent I hope they rot in HELL!
3,868 is a lot that was spread over a time frame of 1865 to 1981 was the last reported KKK killing. That is 117 years.
However that is about 2 years of “reported” Islamic terrorist killings that stands at 15,956 since 9/11, 2001. This is not counting the injured that eventually died as there is not a public record for that information but we know it must be in the added untold thousands just by the nature of injuries being struck by bombs, fire, and bullets.
So what is the death tally so far? Islam stands as the undisputed winner for the number of deaths and injured by Muslim terrorist attacks over the last nine years. Way to Go Mohammad, that is some nasty devil of a God you have.
But here is the good part, the vast majority of these Muslim terrorist killings are to their own kind! YEP other Muslims… ha ha ha way to go Mohammad! Islamic stupidity will never end.
I think it is about time we do a protest and burn some Korans, and so much more.
Don
You cause me to better understand Primo Levi’s remark, about how Hell was the impossibility of reason.
Summary Answer:
There is no place in the Qur’an where Muhammad commands Muslims to love people of other religions. By contrast there are at least three dozen verses that tell Muslims to fight against non-Muslims and about 500 that speak of their place in Hell. They are from each period in Muhammad’s life, scattered across 87 of the Qur’an’s 114 chapters.
To put this in perspective, nearly one out of twelve verses in the Qur’an says that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he will torment them for eternity in horrible ways. The Suras that make reference to this comprise about 95% of the Qur’an’s total volume. If Allah creates infidels merely to fuel the fires of Hell, then there is little reason for Muslims to believe that such lives are of any worth in this world either.
Don123, just for your own edification–why don’t you read the Koran cover-to-cover and make up your own mind, rather than let a web-site decide it for you, okay? Challenge yourself–in spite of themselves, those crazy Muslims built one hell of civilization in the late 1000’s and beyond; while the Europeans were still feasting on mud. More importantly, they preserved quite a bit of Western history, science, and culture that we would have otherwise lost. 'Cause as it stands right now, nobody’s really paying attention to you or your arguments–people want to debate somebody who has something to say; they don’t want to debate a proxy via website. Come back in a week and tell us what you discovered. 
Here are 164 verses of jihad in the Koran that have not been summarized.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html
By your personal review you can clearly see that Jihad means Kill the enemies of Allah and Mohammad, and when you die trying your reward is massive in heaven, that in other places says is an eternal orgy with 72 angelic virgins to say the least.
“Each of the 164 Jihad verses in this list was selected based on how clearly and directly it spoke about Jihad, at least when considered in its immediate context. Most of the listed passages mention a military expedition, fighting, or distributing war spoils. Verses NOT generally listed are those that speak about aspects of Jihad other than the raiding, fighting and looting….”
“Abrogation is a reoccurring topic whenever verses of the Koran are discussed. As a rule, later verses counseling Holy War, such the Sword Verse (K 009:005), abrogate earlier verses counseling tolerance and peace, such as K 002:256. The Sword Verse is just one of the 164 Jihad verses listed below. It follows that not many, if any, of the Holy War verses in this list are abrogated.”
So the point being who are the enemies of Allah and Mohammad his so called “last” prophet? ALL who will not submit to the sword of Allah (non-believers)—for what the word Islam means “submit and bow”, hence mandatory prostrations to Allah in prayer. Bow or get killed is the over all theme of Islam, and has nothing to do with universal brotherly love to all, not even close.
Accordingly, out side of some myths, stupid stories of little value, and repetitious chanting of praises to Allah, the entire Koran is dedicated to war, hate, killing, slaughter, curses, torture and destruction to non-believers that is an obligations and Holy duty to perform by each and every Muslim unto all generations.
In addition it is impossible to be a moderate Muslim, as how can you moderately kill some one?
What Hasan did in his slaughter at Ft. Hood of 12 innocent people is exactly what ALL Muslims are commanded to do from the Koran, and the same with all the Muslim terrorist you read about every day.
It is impossible to reform Islam, as there simply is not the material in the Koran to do so. What you do have are Islamic hypocrites that refuse to fight that according to Mohammad in the Koran the hypocrites should be killed also. Islam is a deadly cult that has NO redemption and should never be classified as a religion but rather as a killing machine.
You bet, Burn the Koran, and hope that a few Muslims will find their way out of this brain dead cult. It can happen, some Muslims return to sanity and drop the title of a killer for Allah.
Don
I have read the Koran cover to cover 3 times, and the bible cover to cover at least 10 times from my youth. So thank you for the advice.
However if I do not quote references you will ask for them, and if not supplied some will start their name calling contest to discredit my studies. So now you get to go argue with my references. Good luck to you, try another game to play.
You said:
Muslims built one hell of civilization in the late 1000’s and beyond; while the Europeans were still feasting on mud. More importantly, they preserved quite a bit of Western history, science, and culture that we would have otherwise lost.
This is nothing but propaganda to the hilt that I have argued against many times before. Perhaps on another thread I will address it again. Then you can argue those reference and see how far you can get.
What I am showing here is a direct connection to Muslim terrorist behavior to the Koran and Hadith. Sorry if you do not like it, but so far you have yet to put any meat on the table other wise.
Good luck to you and your studies.
Don
Here’s an interesting quote about Islam:
From Speech by President George Bush to mark the 20th anniversary of the National Endowment for Democracy, in Washington on 6 November 2003.
I found another interesting quote about Islam. You see, way back, there was a thread here about a march in Iraq against terrorism:
Even more interesting quotes about Islam:
From Address at Islamic Center of Washington delivered 17 September 2001, Washington, D.C.
So when we judge Muslims, it is not enough that they express violence, we also have to make a judgement about their intent? On what is that based? Or is it only Christians who get the second look at intent?
See, I can bold significant parts as well. When you factor that bit in, it’s just a mandate to strike back. Granted, it’s not quite as flashy or impressive as “turn the other cheek”, but we’re not quite in Genghis Khan territory either.
As it turns out, at the time they were. Besides, again this is not “hail, hail, hail and kill !” - flowery rethoric aside it just says it’s OK to ease up on the kowtowing if your safety is at risk. Seems sensible to me.
Part of a long series of verses about how when you are called to war by your commander-in-chief, you damn well go to war and not try to cower back home like a pussy. It’s your basic patriotic chest thumping war talk, “come on, we’re going to murder them by the bushel and use their guts to grease the treads of our tanks, be there or be square”.
Again, it’s not quite Ghandi I’ll grant you that much, but every tribe and culture behaves that way in times of war, don’t they ? It’s a rare commander who cries “Come with me, we don’t have a chance in Hell ! Let’s go and get our throats cut !”
Interestingly, the verse *just *after that second one goes :
Context, my dear boy, context.
Turns out that part of the surat (read it here) boils down to “if they’re cool with you, be cool with them, but if they be steppin’, fuck’em”. It seems to me to concern the safe passage of Mushrikûn in/through Muslim lands which is to be given (at least during certain months), nor should they be expected to observe Muslim customs and prayers while they’re there, as long as they too respect the terms of the treaty. If they do betray their word, all bets are off.
Sinister ? You be the judge. By early medieval standards, that’s not particularly bad a deal, when a time honoured strategy among Franks and Vikings was to invite your enemy to a piss-up under a banner of truce, then kill them all when they’re good and drunk.
So, you cherry-picked the exact quotations to which I alluded that were written in the explicit context of specific historical events and you are pretending that they are general exhortations for universal behavior. That was pretty much what I said.
Your straw man about Islam being “peaceful” fails on the fact that I have never made any claim that it is a peaceful religion. I simply note that the dishonest mischaracterization that you have accepted regarding various suras does not support your claim that the religion actually encourages murder of all unbelievers.
You’re missing the point, which is of course that all Muslims still do the “kill all the [del]humans[/del] unbelievers!” thing and have not changed an iota since the Middle Ages, whereas the modern-day descendants of the Franks and Vikings have stealth bombers and robot drones and no longer need to waste good wine on their enemies. It’s all about moving with the times.
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Ah the old fork in the eye. Gets em every time.
So, your claim that it doesn’t say to kill the unbeliever is, in fact, false? Well, unless you remove the parts that actually say to do that, then you’d be correct. Unbelievable.
Because it does claim that you should kill unbelievers, or, to answer Kobal2, you must convert them. The choice is conversion, subjugation, constant war, or death.
And Gyrate, the my statements are not that will Muslims continue to do these things, but that their book condones it and because of that it is easier for the nutters to use it as their justification.