Me, myself, and I—seeing I don’t believe in any gods.—ha ha.
Give me a little literary slack here and you will get a reward in heaven.
(Stop it Don)
Don
I can agree in a small part of what you wrote, but what you do not understand is the Islamic way of interpreting the Koran handed down from their highest Mullahs.
What you leave out is the common Islamic reasoning of abrogation i.e. the older verses in the Koran, that resemble some form of peace, are supplanted with the newer ones that are hate and destroy. Accordingly most all the verses that came early in Mohammad’s career of caravan raiding have much less value than the older ones when he went on war campaigns.
As far as Mohammad writing something, that is doubtful as he told Gabriel he did not know how to read and write. And the Koran was not complied until about 175 years after his death. And even still the book is a mess as it is organized by chapter length and not by flowing context as in a story.
So I have no fear of putting a match to it.
Don
I did not say they were opposing him at the time of the bombing. You claim that there is nothing but religion behind the various terrorist groups. I noted that every one of the groups formed in response to oppression or societal chaos. Once a group has formed, it operates on its own logic that is not bound by mere facts. (Sort of like the way that demagogues can whip up fury at a Sufi community center under the pretense that it is connected in some imaginary way with the actions of Wahhabist terrorists nine years earlier.)
It is absolutely true that the Bali bombers were attacking Western cultural symbols–I said as much, myself–but the movement that encouraged the hatred that acted out in that way was not merely a group of religious people thinking bad thoughts, it was a specific movement that had arisen in a time of persecution and then continued its self-anointed “mission” after conditions had begun to change.
If the sole cause of the attacks is simply the religion of Islam, where are the same attacks in the 1980s, 1970s, 1960s, 1950s, etc.?
Posting half-truths does not help your case. Here is a real description of the doctrine of abrogation.
Wait, so all Muslims are liches? Okay, now I’m scared.
Ba’asyir, the head of JI, was on exile during Suharto’s regime. Suharto practically chased all radical muslims out of the country (and even some more moderate ones also). Ba’asyir came back after Suharto’s fall. JI reformed as Indonesia went democratic. They strengthened after 9/11 with Al-Qaida support.
Now they are on the run again, with Ba’asyir trying to distance himself from key JI terrorist suspects.
I see, and you think the average Muslim, some of the poorest and least educated people on the planet, are able to interpret this based upon what you have said here?
So, how do they interpret what the Koran actually says rather than what tomndebb wishes it to say: Seeing that he isn’t there to give the ‘correct’ interpretation? Isn’t that what the Hadiths are all about?
Alternatively, you could just Google “list of muslims killed on 9/11” and go to the very first result, which has a list. I mean, I know you’re not going to accept it anyway, but it’s worth pointing out that this stuff isn’t exactly a secret. Anyway, how do you think it’s even plausible to kill almost three thousand New Yorkers and not have any of them be Muslims?
Also, whether you like Islam or not, and whether you think it’s a terrorist organization or not, it’s certainly not a cult. The religion isn’t all that insular (at least, not in its emigrant populations), its leadership doesn’t believe differently from the masses, it no longer has a powerful, charismatic leader,…
I think its very clear what will happen. Most Muslims will shake their head at the stupid church and go on with their lives. Those in the US might feel a little more persecuted and fearful over the anti-Muslim bigotry that continues in the US. A relatively small number who were on the fence about whether to be radical or not might decide that this is enough proof that the US is waging a holy war and so tip over the the radical branch slightly increasing the chance of more attacks. A bunch of bigots in the US get to feel self righteously smug.
None of these seems to be a very good thing.
I have an idea lets get together a bunch of late term aborted fetuses and laugh while we feed them to dogs in front the a baptist church while wearing the skulls of dead babies on our heads. Since the children are already dead we aren’t doing any real harm and are just exercising our free speech rights which is surely a good thing. If the Christians get offended its their own fault.
“Voodoo believing Muslims”? Voodoo incorporates Catholic elements into West African belief systems; it has more to do with Christianity than with Islam.
I think the first step would be to get Don to admit that Muslims are humans.
I went to your site and made a note of it. I will grant you that there may have been some Muslims killed in the 9/11 attack other than the terrorist. By the reason of the numbers killed, more than likely that is the case.
To say how many or whom, it is not known and I do not see how any one can make the claim other wise.
My point is these dead innocent Muslims are being used for propaganda purposes, even more so as the mosque at ground zero is trying to be built against great protest. I find that trickery that Muslims use all the time trying to justify what cannot be justified. Muslims are known to hold up their dead as martyrs to advance the spread of Islam, and I simply do not buy into it.
And may I add all the more reason to hate that filthy religion, as Muslim terrorist do not even respect the lives of their own kind, and you do not know who will be the next Muslim terrorist as that is what the religion genders by the groves daily. When Islamic leaders say they have no shortage of suicide bombers, I believe them.
I admit it is a real problem and some what of a dilemma. I absolutely oppose dragging Muslims out of their homes at random in vigilante or mob rule and confine or shooting them. That is enough for me to take up arms in protection of the innocent. On the other hand it is dangerous to allow a suicidal religion, as Islam is proved to be, to take root in your neighborhood. I am left with education to the Muslims, social pressures, open to the public debates, perhaps even logic and reason to persuade them away from their cult into anything they desire as a faith, or no faith at all, just not Islam.
To have a public Koran burning party would send a message to Muslims of the great dislike to their killing cult, that we are not going to be pushed around by their threats of terrorism that is the dominate feature of Islam. And I do not care how many Islamic martyrs they hang on the wall.
Don
If this was widely practiced in America, what do you think the response by Muslims would be?
By medical definitions Charles Manson ( a renown serial killer) is human also, but mentally he is worse than an animal. Accordingly he is locked up for life.
Voodoo Catholics—yep I stand by it. The difference being they have been defeated long ago and forced into being civil. And when they step out of line as in Ireland, the free world should raise up and put an end to it as fast as possible.
This stupid idea that a darkage belief in a god of some kind gives a person the right to go killing and intimidating the neighborhood is going to come to an end by the force and rule of laws and punishments.
Don
What makes you believe them? Give me an estimate on what % of muslim pop. is capable of becoming such bombers?
What sort of education are you proposing?
Without the burning, increasing numbers of them have already suspected that everyone else is at war with them. This would just merely confirm their sentiments.
Reading Don’s posts is like reading a Chick tract.
Evil Muslim 1: HAW HAW HAW! Ahmed, our plan to infiltrate America and impose Sharia law is going forward as planned!
Evil Muslim 2: Yes, Omar! We have already gained permission to build a mosque directly on the hallowed land of Ground Zero and not in any way two blocks away in a disused Burlington Coat Factory, and have convinced many Americans that we are a peace-loving people! Soon all America will fall under the sword of Allah!
Fictional Don: Halt, terrorist scum! We American are not going to be pushed around by the threats of terrorism that is the dominate feature of Islam! I do not care how many Islamic martyrs you hang on the wall!
Evil Muslim 1: Filthy infidel! You cannot stop us! All billion or so of us worldwide are committed to the cause of violent jihad!
Fictional Don: Oh no? Let’s see how you feel after I set fire to THIS KORAN!
Evil Muslim 2: By the beard of the Prophet Peace be unto Him and death to everyone else! He has set our holy book alight, and yet Allah has not struck him down!
Evil Muslim 1: How can this be? Could we have been so mistaken in our ways?
Evil Muslim 2: It must be so! Perhaps we should fall to our knees and pray to Jesus Christ for forgiveness of our sins, lest the Lord cast us into the fiery pit for all eternity!
That about how you see this book burning happening, Don?
Pssst, you forgot how new Chick converts can immediately quote chapter and verse. Otherwise, spot on 
As a % of muslims, it is probably greater than a % of people in other major religions. Their book condones and reveres it. Why is it surprising that someone who reads the book interprets it that way and would act upon it?
Because the data isn’t convincing. People read so many things, yet most of them are rational enough to try to live peacefully with others. Do you think most muslims have rational enough minds?
So when muslims do it, it is because their book condones and reveres it. If non muslims do it, it’s got nothing to do with their religion?
So mad people read books and get kookie ideas about them.
Rather like mad people listen to Beatles songs and get kookie ideas from them.
Let’s destroy:
All the Muslims because of 9-11.
All the Christians because of the crusades.
All the Hindi’s because of the killing at partition.
All the aetheists because why should those godless bastards survive.
That’ll just leave the Buddhists and a few other minor religions until someone does some Don style research and fingers them. (Well, probably not the Jains, actually.)
Not to be cranky, but I think Don is atheist. (He’s not exactly been complimentary toward Christians in this thread, anyway.)