I probably should have said ‘change adverse’ rather than laziness. Just lazy, I guess. Heh.
Heh! You made me snort! 
“I was just following orders” isn’t an excuse, whether those orders come from God or Hitler.
Because the followers of religions do no such thing. Once created a religion becomes a thing independent from its creator. Christians are under the control of Christianity, not Christ; Christ is to Christianity what Mickey Mouse is to Disney; a trademark.
If god, a real honest to god one and only god, tells you to do something then you had pretty much better do it. It is frikken’ god, fer christ’s sake, not some petty dictator. That’s the whole point.
But there isn’t a god, so what is in these books is pure fantasy that people do follow the same way that people did follow Hitler.
Not if what it tells you to do is wrong. Why should a god have any more moral authority to tell you to do something than any other random person?
Because he is god, not some random person. You know 700’ tall, long white beard, angels blowing horns flying around his head, creator of the universe, etc. He tells you what is right or wrong and has conveniently written in down in a number of contradictory books scattered around the globe.
Well put. I always thought it was ironic that the conservatives have taken ownership of Jesus, given that by today’s political standards, Jesus was a LIBERAL.
Kind of like Reagan using “Born in the USA” as a campaign theme, when clearly he had no idea what the song was really about.
He say what he likes, that doesn’t make it true.
I accept no moral authority higher than myself.
I hold myself responsible for any and all decisions I make and any and all actions I take.
I also accept the consequences, both good and bad, that these decisions and actions may bring about.
If I’m going to take responsibility for them and accept the consequences for them, I’m damn sure gonna take credit for them as well.
And to be perfectly frank, I haven’t met anyone with what I’d consider to be “better” or “higher” morals than mine and the ones I try to teach my children.
Well, that’s nice for you, but it doesn’t change the fact that billions of people around the world live by gods commandments and base their decisions upon that ‘moral’ code.
There, I fixed it. No two people on the Earth have the EXACT SAME interpretation of anything, especially their religious “laws”.
That’s not a moral code, that’s just obeying orders indiscriminately, which is an amoral position at best. Not a moral one.
It’s actually quite good for everyone since I don’t try to impose my morals on anyone other than the people I have a societal obligation to teach. Namely, my three children.
It’s good for society because my personal moral code (and hopefully the personal moral codes my children are developing) won’t let me steal from you or physically harm you unless it’s to protect myself or another blameless person.
My moral code won’t let me see a truly hurting individual without trying to help.
My moral code won’t allow me to turn my face from the plight of the helpless.
My moral code also won’t let me enable someone in doing something harmful to themselves or another.
The world would be an infinitely better place if everyone minded their own business FIRST.
Hence my use of quotes. You of all people know that the religious will base their actions upon what their book says rather than what is right. I’m pretty sure you’ve argued as much on this board.
You sound alot more reasonable than the average “busybody” Christian,(not to be confused with most Christians) so I’ll ask this.
If you found out about someone in the hospital, dying slowly of a painful disease, or lying obviously brain dead with no hope of recovery, would you appose euthanasia? I know it’s a whole other thread, but it seems to be the “moral” ones that force theor way onto these situations (See Terry Schiavo)
Absolutely NOT! As a matter of fact I was just explaining this on another thread! (How strange!)
I actually find it morally REPUGNANT to keep alive a person in chronic pain or someone with a terminal illness that wishes to die. The example I gave was that we euthanize our pets out of a sense of moral obligation to them, yet we refuse to offer this same compassion to our loved ones.
On edit: Oh, yeah… the reason I sound more reasonable than the average “busybody” Christian is likely because I’m not a Christian! LOL
Mozart1220, if you are quoting someone, don’t alter what they write. I see you se off your words in bold, but in the future please don’t do it at all.
I clearly showed that the changes were mine.
You seemed to me like one of the sincerely good ones… my apologies, and also for bad wording.
No apologies necessary. I know lots of people that are good and of high moral fiber… I’ve noticed a remarkable lack of what we term “religiosity” in all of them.
Some self-identify as Christian… others don’t.