All the major “pro life” organizations are anti-contraception as well. Just Google Judie Brown of the “American Life League.” It is about controlling women and punishing sex. We are one supreme court justice away from overturning not only Roe Vs Wade but also Griswold v. Connecticut.
If Obama is not elected McCain will appoint another Scalia and women will loose the right to control their fertility.
It is not a game but a very real possibility.
While it’s not very popular in North America (most likely because of the Daikon Shield scandal), the IUD is the most widely used form of BC in the world.
The linked article reads (bolding mine)
Anyone know if there’s a longer list somewhere? I doubt the Depo shot won’t be on that list (though it’s given in a doctor’s office).
I can’t believe I’m writing this, but I am sort of glad this is coming to light, if only to say ‘I told you so’ to friends of mine who were on the fence about pharmacists refusing to dispense Plan B though I pointed out regular old BC pills would be next. Okay, I’m not really glad.
I think you made a typo, unless you think this is going to protect women from pregnancies.
I’m not entirely convinced that the overturn of Roe v Wade would be so bad. As you know, if it were overturned nothing would change until states took action to outlaw abortion. Right now, Roe gives conservatives a free pass- they get to puff up and denounce abortion and call for its banning, secure in the knowledge that they will never be called upon to actually act upon their words. But if Roe were gone, I think they would find out pretty quick that most people don’t want abortion banned, and they would adjust their rhetoric pretty damn quick. Either that, or they would continue to call for a ban, and get voted out of office real quick.
I think the overturn of Roe V Wade could potentially be the death knell for the Republican party as we know it.
It would. Democrats would sweep into office at the federal level and in most states, too. Those states which would outright ban abortion already make it very difficult to obtain one. Abortion isn’t going to be outlawed in the US, and birth control certainly isn’t.
Er, Dalkon Shield. Though if teens are still douching with Coke to prevent pregnancy, I wouldn’t put anything past them.
But the administration’s revamped “definition” isn’t about outlawing birth control, John. It’s about making it as difficult as possible to obtain it for women who fall under a certain income level. The poor and working poor, to be specific. Women who have good coverage and average income have no problem obtaining birth control.
ETA: Yes, Cat Fight, they are. I’m not sure that myth is ever going away.
jtgain, but aren’t we talking about government funded health care in general? They’re already offering other services-so if they’re going to continue to fund the rest of it, this has jackshit to do with the “free market”. So why aren’t you out there objecting if they fund say, anti-biotics for an ear fection?
One thing that always strikes me about any birth control / abortion argument is that its extraordinarily classists - even more if we are giving people access to it via “market forces” and refusing to subsidize it through tax dollars. But just in general. In countries where abortion is outlawed, it still isn’t impossible for a well off and well connected woman to leave the country and get a quiet abortion - unless you have the sort of complete control over people that that Taliban strove for. Any effort to limit access disproportionatly affects people who are poor.
The rich can buy their way out of their mistakes and errors.
Everyday I am thankful that my government believes that all women have the right to the free hormonal contraceptive that they and their doctor determine is most appropriate for their needs.
If properly inserted and left in place it very effectively prevents pregnancy.
Side effects may include a mildy radishy odor, and occasionally the desire to have sex with other vegetables. Ask your doctor if Daikon is right for you.
Also known as “getting your Daik on.”
The anti-abortion groups have always intended to outlaw most forms of birth control, it just hasn’t been their top priority. That includes any type of IUD and any hormone method (pill, ring, patch, shots, implants). The only methods they consider acceptable are abstinence and barrier (or abstinence only, for the Catholics and some others).
They don’t, however, mention this very often or very loudly. These groups are fully aware that they would lose popular support if their true intentions were well-known. Their plan is for gradual take-over, one tiny step at a time. The smaller the steps, the less the public uproar and the more likely is their success. Just like this one.
This is not new. Somewhere I have literature from the early 80s that explicitly states their intent to start working to make hormonal and IUD birth control illegal, just as soon as they got abortions banned.
I have known many pro-life people who swear there’s no conflict with the pro-life movement and effective birth control. I’ve never been sure how many of them were deluded and didn’t understand the explicitly stated intentions of the groups they support, and how many were just lying to maintain popular support for their cause.
Either way, don’t believe them. It may be true for that individual, but it is certainly not true for the movement as a whole.
ETA: I should make clear that their objections to birth control are consistent with their beliefs. They oppose methods of birth control that may, on occasion, prevent implantation, on the grounds that human life begins at fertilization and therefore any birth control method that has any possibility of allowing an egg to be fertilized but not carried to term is “abortion”.
I would just like to point out it is extremely naive to say “Well, the women can just go to the next pharmacy”.
I live in Upstate NY. Where I live, I am near a major city, so I don’t have a problem.
Up north even further, near Plattsburgh, Massena, the Canadian border, you just don’t have options. You’re lucky if there is a ob/gyn within 30-40 miles of you, and it’s probably just the one. People who live out in backwoods have to come in to Plattsburgh.
These are our working poor women. They don’t have access to choice. They don’t have access to different types of healthcare. There is no way to easily drive to the next town. There is no other pharmacy.
Just my two cents.
ETA: I agree, redtail. The thing that really pisses me off is tons of us aren’t Catholics and don’t have those values.
The market works poorly when it is expected to serve a very small market - because then the demand can not drive the creation of options. In a city there is room for a pro-life pharmacy and a pro-choice pharmacy and one that specializes in unusual prescriptions (had to go to one of those once for my daughter) - in a very small market, there is room for one supplier, and that supplier can have a “don’t like my stock, my quality or my prices, you are free to go elsewhere” mentality - with no elsewhere, he’ll still be successful.
For the wealthy, even the middle class - this becomes merely inconvenient - they CAN manage to go elsewhere if they must. For the poor, this is a failure of market driven economics.
But taxes for police and roads are considered public services that, in one way or another, benefit society as a whole. Saying that giving tax money to pay for birth control is arguably less simple to say it provides a net benefit to society as a whole. I know that preventing unwanted babies and overpopulation is an indirect benefit, but hey, I’m just playing Devil’s Advocate here. 
Setting aside birth control for the moment, there is also the fact that the law, as written, would allow someone at one of these clinics to refuse a woman with an ectopic pregnancy treatment. Which would, in cases as Annamaka and Dangerosa mention, most likely result in the death of both the woman and the child.
If the belief is that life begins at conception, then yes, any birth control product that might prevent implantation of a conceived egg (like some pills, IUDs, and implants) should not be used. And all eggs fertilized in a petri dish should have to be put into someone’s uterus and allowed to come to birth.
No conceived egg left behind should be their motto.
Which is stupid, because something like two thirds of all fertilized eggs fail to implant and are flushed out during the next menstrual cycle.
God is an abortionist! :eek:
You are coming close to suggesting that the holy Free Market is something less than the universal standard of perfection. Recant and repent, sir!
