jtgain, I’m still waiting for you to respond to me. Or are you going to run away as you did in the last thread where we were talking about licensing for doctors? Why don’t you just admit you know nothing about capitalist economic theory and stop lecturing people about it?
Careful! Maybe we’d better start putting that kind of information in threads called something like “Disabled Seniors for Peace.” We don’t want Republicans reading about any wasted fertilized eggs.
You’re right, it’s not ALL contraception, just all HORMONAL contraception–in other words, all clinically proven safe and highly effective methods.
Your comment displays a particular ignorance about the mechanics of hormonal contraception. It’s not “certain” birth control pills and IUDs that prevent implantation of fertilized ova–all hormonal contraception acts in three primary ways: by suppressing ovulation, by thickening the cervical mucus to prevent sperm from breaching the cervical os, and by keeping the lining of the endometrium thin and suppressing the likelihood that a fertilized egg will attach to the endometrial wall and implant to become a developing pregnancy. All birth control pills work the exact same way. The NuvaRing and the Patch work the same way birth control pills do, they’re just different delivery systems for the hormones. Depo Provera is the same as an oral progestin-only pill, and the same as Plan B, just a different dose and a different delivery system.
Awesome, your wife has a means of financial support and is lucky enough to have access to health insurance, and furthermore health insurance that will pay for birth control pills. It’s pretty easy to be smug about it when you’re in such a privileged position. Why, I’ll even bet that if you had a contraceptive failure and were facing an unintended pregnancy, that you’d have the financial means to support her during her pregnancy and during the birth, and to support the child for the next eighteen years. Failing that, I’ll also bet that you have enough in your checking account to pay for an abortion, and also that your health insurance covers the cost for this procedure. Good for you!
Now imagine you lost your job, and so did your wife. Would you not have sex again until you’re financially solvent and able to care for any unexpected pregnancies and ensuing children? Do you expect everyone in the country to abstain from sex until they’re financially solvent and able to care for any unexpected pregnancies and ensuing children? Do you think the free market is able to bear the brunt of the cost of all the unwanted babies that happen when birth control is not widely available and accessible? What about the babies themselves? Better for society to have scads of orphans starving on the streets? Better for the orphans themselves? Because, of course, taxpayers should not be expected to chip in for the feeding of orphans.
It’s also pretty easy to be smug about just moving on to the next pharmacy when you live in a city and have access to convenient and reliable transportation. Let’s say the same thing to someone who lives in a trailer park in rural Alabama, or lives in northern Minnesota. Oh, you don’t like it? Why don’t you just pack everything up, move to a city, get a car, find gainful employment, get good health insurance, get in to see a doctor, and shop around for pharmacies before the next time you have sex–it’s so easy. :rolleyes:
I can’t believe that you really believe what you’re saying. Sure, I think it would be nice if people who couldn’t afford birth control pills used condoms reliably and effectively 100% of the time, and it would also be nice if there were barrier methods that actually were effective 99% of the time and as easy to use as hormonal contraception. The reality is, people don’t make responsible choices about sex, they just don’t, not when the responsible choice means “don’t have sex at all, ever, for your entire life because you live in poverty”. Pills cost money, condoms cost money and furthermore are inconvenient and less effective. For free, you get abstinence or fertility awareness. Abstinence is not a realistic option for most adults, and neither is fertility awareness, which takes a substantial amount of education and a hellacious lot of effort to get right.
What’s your free market solution for those people who choose not to abstain, and/or have contraceptive failures, abortion? Have society bear the cost of raising the extra children? Let them starve? There sure aren’t millions of prospective homes just waiting to take in foster children now, in a society where birth control is reasonably available and so is abortion. So?
nice argument, and they always sputter helplessly when I pointed out that I was not christian and that their religious laws did not apply to me, and I wasn’t pregnant in the first place, I was going in for a mamagram and routine pelvic and pap smear like I do every year.
Why do they always assume that any nicely dressed white woman has to be judeo-christian, and just because the OB-GYN clinic I was going to did abortions, I was going in for an abortion?
Awesome post.
NajaNivea, outstanding. Read that again, everyone.
You don’t unless the government gives other health benefits to others for free. Which it does. Then, withholding birth control and abortion becomes a right.
And of course there comes into play the slipperly slope which ends with sex without attempting conception becomes a crime. Which is really their point- sex is bad, nasty and evil, and it’s only OK because it brings more babies. Without babies, it’s just bad, nasty and evil. This is why the same folks don’t like Gay sex.
Looks like you nailed it in one. (And the one you mentioned was one that HE started in the first place)