Yeah, and straight guys call each other “faggots” sometimes, too. I know you’re not dumb, dude. Do the math. Why is “cocksucker” an insult to a straight guy?
You really think that it’s somehow not a significant act to use being gay as an insult as long as the person you’re insulting isn’t actually gay?
Dude.
Why is “fucker” an insult to anyone?
Neither of them make any sense, IMHO. My friend Andi salts her conversation with “cockbiters” and “cockbiting.” This makes more sense to me as an epithet, speaking as a guy with a cock.
We do? Since when? I’m not even used to being called “dude” yet, so I could easily have missed the memo.
Because its meant as an insult! Remember that scene in Mean Streets when DeNiro calls the fat guy a “mook” and he doesn’t know what’s a mook but he knows he’s been insulted. Its an insult regardless
Pissed off a black guy once, called me a “cracker”. Dum sumbitch didn’t even know a cracker from a peckerwood! I mean, the ignorance of it!
Yep, I really do. There are lots and lots of cocksuckers in the world. Some of them are gay, most aren’t.
Dude!
Yeah, and what about “bastard”? Gotta apologize to all the lawyers?
You mean guys actually don’t… :eek:
:smack: So that explains why… 
Um, never mind. :o
Oh god, here we go. It’s the great turdburgular hijack redux. You want to know what it is? Search the pit for “minty green” and “turdburgular”. It would be a couple years ago now.
Enjoy,
Steven
Limitations of spinal flexibility.
Oh, to be young again! 
Sorry, Scylla. “Either you’re a complete moron, or you think everyone here is a complete moron” wasn’t intended as an insult, but as a detached, objective observation. Your theory about Bush’s amazing intelligence-gathering shoulder squeeze is so ridiculous that I would be utterly astonished if you actually believed it, and hence, the only reasonable explanation is that you think we’re all idiots. Or that you’re a complete moron. But I suspect the former.
Do you realize that this is exactly equivalent to claiming that saying “That’s so gay!” isn’t an insult? The only possible reasoning behind that is that being gay is a contemptible quality - so contemptible that the implication is an insult - but it’s kosher as long as no queers are around to hear it.
I don’t get people who do this. The idea behind the word is clear. It wouldn’t be an insult to call a man a “cocksucker” unless it was some sort of revolting quality for a man to be a cocksucker. All the half-baked attempts at explaining that away don’t change reality. Why is it worth it to cling to this word and invent excuses for it? If you don’t actually want to insult us faggots, then why do it and then try to cook up reasons why we shouldn’t feel insulted?
And yet, magically, no one insults a woman by calling her a cocksucker.
Scylla, I’ve enjoyed your posts in this thread. You did indeed capture the moral high ground. It’s a shame that so many understand the dynamics of dominance in a debate forum, yet so few understand that the real goal of any debate should be to change people’s minds. Dominance (such as directing inventive insults at your opponent) only assures that you will never change your opponents mind, and is therefore self defeating. It is a tactic which should never be employed by any serious debater.
I think there is something important about the actual topic at hand that you are missing, however:
I agree with you, it is stupid. I’m more here for the amusement than anything substantive, yet there is an important point here. You come close to it when you remarked:
That would be true if the woman in question were at a barbecue or watching a foosball tournament, but in this case Merkel was acting in an official capacity representing the country of Germany. It therefore wasn’t Merkel whose shoulders he was groping, it was, from a diplomatic perspective, the country of Germany. The question is, how do the Germans feel about it? If the links in this thread are any indication, they’re furious. And while Bush may have apologized to Merkel, he apparently did it off camera, in which case he still owes an apology to Germany.
Still, I agree that this incident is minutiae in the overall picture. I’m for raising its profile and broadcasting it widely, however, using it as a typical example of the number of small but significant faux pas our President commits every day. It see it as an important, if trivial, example.
As a supporter of the Republican party, I expect that trivial examples are something you understand. The Republicans collect trivial examples of the behavior of their opponents. They have become the zen masters of collecting trivial examples. When Gore used poorly chosen words to describe how he’d helped the proliferation of the Internet, the Republicans were there. When Kerry attempted to explain why he changed positions on the Iraq war and again chose his words poorly, the Republicans were there again. When Clinton asked for an explanation of the context of the word “is” the Republicans collectors were crowing with delight. For years the country has been subjected to a constant litany of repetition of these statements over and over and over again. Shall I mention the video clips Limbaugh would show every single day on his show? They were the same video clips in every episode, but he played them repeatedly to drive the images into his subject’s brain.
Those of us outside the folds of the Republican base have learned from those of you who are. We have learned a hard lesson from you not to let go of small incidents like this. We have lost too many elections because the Republicans were better collectors than we.
If you truly want us to let this go, then I encourage you to once again seek the moral high ground. The next time you hear someone say “Al Gore invented the Internet”, or “Kerry was with it before he was against it” or any of the millions of chants about Bill Clinton, I challenge you to step forward and say “We shouldn’t be repeating this, because they were social gaffes, they were minor misstatements which were not exemplary of the actual position the candidate held.” I challenge you to change the Republican tactics. Encourage your brethren on the right to campaign entirely on their issues and ideas, to refrain from insults or out-of-context sound and video bites. I’ll encourage those on my side of the aisle to use less insults and more ideas. Maybe between the two of us, and people like us, we can restore the national dialog and return this country to a great land of differing ideas.
But in the meantime, since we need to get these twits out of congress and that dipstick out of the Whitehouse, I’ll be blasting this video clip across the net to every person I can, as well as any other bumbling, moronic gaffe I see President Bush committing. After all, we learned this from you guys. Maybe when McCain wins in two years things will be better.
I hear that Jenna Bush is a great little cocksucker, got it from her mom.
Well, the ones I know…lets just say you’d best not.
No one’s Mom has ever done anything like that. Ever.
Not to mention being instructed by one’s mom!
“Hi, Mom! What’s happenin’? What’s with the banana?”
“Sit down, dear. We need to have a little talk…”
And besides, didn’t she go to UTex? Well, I mean, there you have it…
Hey, if we could, we’d nefver leave the house!
Works how??
It says you have the time to respond to the trivial stuff, but you don’t have time to respond to substantive rebuttals.
Don’t expect much respect in debate threads if that’s your approach.
It was really neither here or there to me. I thought it was intended as an insult, but didn’t really give a flip. I wouldn’t have brought it up if you hadn’t turned around and bemoaned the lack of civility.
And I offered you an invitation to debate that issue, because I don’t think you can come up with any substantive evidence to contradict my theory.
Actually, he made a whole string of faux pas, starting from the pig roast comments, running through the chew-and-show with Yo Blair, and ending with the unwanted grabbing of a woman head of state. Dunnon what John Fucking Kerry supposedly did on that scale.
But what really amuses me is that you’ve got plenty of time to devote to a ‘pretty stupid’ thread, but just not enough time to respond to substantive objections to your arguments.
Being a diplomat, she’s probably trying to say as little as possible.
I guess you’d still prefer to ignore what the women in this thread have said. Coward.
Let’s please distinguish between insults (“you’re an ass-licking fucktard”) and assertions (“you’re a dishonest debater”).
Back to the OP
Don’t you guys realize that Merkel and Bush are friends. They are both on the record confirming that. Friends can give a shoulder squeeze to each other. There is nothing inappropriate about that.
Now if Bush exposed his naked ass to the public while in office like Merkel did you guys might have something more significant to talk about.
And Bush and Blair are friends? “Yo Blair” still seems like something to save for BBQ rather then a moment you presume is off-mic at a formal occasion. I’m just surprised that he spent valuable minutes massaging a friend when his lap dog clearly needed a pat.
Perhaps the bigger question is why Bush didn’t seem to recognise the Syrian leaders name?
The State of the Union Address is a formal occassion as well. Don’t you think that hugging and hand shaking is going on as the representatives arrive for the occassion? The scene in question obviously occurred while the meeting was not in session.
Not minutes, but hardly even one second.
Huh?