elf6c
July 22, 2003, 3:24pm
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Hillary Clinton, President of the United States. I can imagine the absolute bitter ranting and abject frothing at the mouth of the ultra right if that happened. Heck, think of the movie Scanners . Even better, Bill as “First Man”. Heh heh heh. . .
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&ncid=536&e=4&u=/ap/20030722/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_poll
SAN FRANCISCO - Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and Sens. John Kerry and Joe Lieberman (news - web sites) are bunched together in the top tier of Democratic presidential candidates in California, according to a new poll.
Dean was favored by 16 percent of those likely to vote in the state’s Democratic primary next March, according to a poll released Tuesday by the nonpartisan Field Research Institute. He was followed closely by Kerry of Massachusetts at 15 percent and Lieberman of Connecticut at 14 percent.
Support for Dean in California has more than doubled since the last Field Poll. In April, Dean was favored by just 7 percent of likely Democratic voters, far behind Lieberman’s 22 percent and Kerry’s 16 percent.
The poll, conducted between July 1 and July 13, surveyed 1,040 registered voters by telephone and had a 5 percentage point margin of error.
It found that 33 percent of likely Democratic voters were still undecided.
Knowledge is power, and suchforth.
I take it that Limbaugh is the one floating this idea? Nice try.
Daniel
elf6c
July 22, 2003, 6:05pm
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Dumbest attempt at WMD spin control yet.
OVER THE ATLANTIC OCEAN (AP) — Finding the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction that President Bush cited as his main justification for going to war is now a secondary issue, says Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.
“I’m not concerned about weapons of mass destruction,” Wolfowitz told a group of reporters traveling with him. “I’m concerned about getting Iraq on its feet. I didn’t come (to Iraq) on a search for weapons of mass destruction.”
Yeah, no sense looking for unicorns and the tooth fairy either.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-07-22-wolfowitz-iraq_x.htm
More dropping poll numbers for you:
The president’s approval rating fell to 59%, its lowest level since March, in the poll of 1,003 adults over the weekend.
Bush’s lowest marks came on his handling of the economy: 45% approved, 51% disapproved. That weakness extended to the Republican Party, which controls Congress. Democrats had a 17-point advantage, 53%-36%, when poll respondents were asked which party would do a better job handling the economy. In January, the GOP had a 43%-42% edge.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-21-bush-poll-usat_x.htm
Maybe Curious George should ask his daddy what the phrase “it’s the economy stupid” means.
But but but, the Apologista’s bellow, W’s mighty foreign policy sucesses will cover for him. Really?
Interviews with more than 30 current and former U.S. officials, analysts, Iraqi-Americans and others — including a cross-section of those involved in the planning process — identified a number of pre-war decisions that they say helped create the current situation. Hasty planning, rosy assumptions about Iraqi attitudes and a failure to foresee and forestall the disastrous effects of looting and sabotage all contributed, they say. Most spoke on the record, but a few in sensitive positions requested anonymity.
Whatever the reasons for the disarray, the stakes are enormous. A failure to create a successful, stable Iraq could have grave re-percussions throughout the Middle East and beyond, jeopardizing U.S. efforts to deter support for terrorism, curb proliferation of dangerous weapons and encourage democratic reforms. The outcome could also affect voters’ views of the war and President Bush’s reelection prospects.
Failure to secure the peace in Iraq “has the potential to outweigh every accomplishment of American foreign policy,” says Leslie Gelb, who recently stepped down as president of the Council on Foreign Relations, a prominent think tank.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-07-21-war-aftermath_x.htm
Maybe George will continue to shamelessly flog 9/11 as the justification for everything he did. He might not want to, given the 9/11 commmissions report (even though the Bush Administration tried to hamper it).
The San Diego episode is among the most chilling examples of missed signals, communication breakdowns and investigative failures described in the 900-page report, which several government officials said is a blistering critique of U.S. intelligence efforts in the months before the attacks.
Cover-up power activate!-- form of — Over-Classification!
The report’s release has been delayed by a dispute between the White House and Congress over how much information should be declassified.
An entire section of the report dealing with the role of foreign governments — including Saudi Arabia, a close U.S. ally that was home to 15 of the 19 hijackers — will not be made public despite objections by Sen. Bob Graham, a Florida Democrat and former Joint Committee co-chairman who is running for president.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-07-21-intel-usat_x.htm
Shape of – Withheld Documents!
And who isn’t sharing?
While it was billed as “a progress report to the American people,” there was little actual progress to report yesterday. Instead, Kean and Hamilton gave an agency-by-agency assessment of the cooperation the panel has received in its information-gathering effort. While most agencies received mixed reviews, the Pentagon and the Justice Department were issued poor grades.
“The problems that have arisen with the Department of Defense are becoming particularly serious,” the commission said. The Pentagon had not responded to requests for information regarding the North American Aerospace Defense Command, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Department of Defense historical office “and other DOD components.”
What a surprise. . .
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-9/1057730727238420.xml
rjung
July 22, 2003, 7:07pm
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*Originally posted by elf6c *Scanners .
Okay, that’d almost make “President Hillary Clinton” worth having, just to see (and hear) conservative heads-a-oppin’ from coast to coast…
And while I think Hillary Clinton would be more qualified as PotUS than some of the candidates currently running, I also think that her entry in the race would just bring back by a thousandfold the right-wing mudslinging we had in the '90s. Frankly, I’d rather not go through another four years of the shrill screeches of the radical right if I can avoid it.
Thundering balderdash, sir! If you are not to be revealed to this dignified company as a blackguard, scoundrel and poltroon you must cite!, sir, cite! and at once!
Squink
July 23, 2003, 3:23am
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*Originally posted by elucidator *
What the hell…this thread Elucidator turns up Warmongers 10/14/2001
Adding the term “Bush” to the “usual AND suspect” search eliminates spurious references to the movie “the Usual Suspects”, and reveals that dear old Milossarian was probably first to use the term in a political context on 03/08/01
Anti-Bush bias at CBS? Or, Dan would Rather not
Next comes jshore on 05/26/01
Why were the Dems so ineffective in stopping the Bush tax cuts?
Third, but not least, in the use of the term is Sam Stone , engaging in some religious right bashing on 09/14/01
An even bigger dollup of my anger is aimed at Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who are using this incident attack liberals, the ACLU, homosexuals, and their other Usual Suspects.
Elucidator wasn’t first, more like fourth, but Monster104 appears to be a total :wally.
That’s it. I’m crushed. For shame, 'lucy . For shame.
Miller
July 23, 2003, 3:52am
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I, for one, am keeping an eye out for the unusual suspects. Any minute now, I’m expecting posts from the Queen of England, a Kalahari bushman, and the spirit of Harry Houdini.
I dare say, dear sirs, that since my sum total knowledge of all linguistics come from Hollywood, that Usual Suspects only dates as far back as a 1995 movie. The RIAA will be all over this thread presently. May the Lord have pity on you all, for copyright law will have none, the beast that it is!
*Originally posted by Dissonance *Usual Suspects only dates as far back as a 1995 movie. The RIAA will be all over this thread presently. May the Lord have pity on you all, for copyright law will have none, the beast that it is! **
Which was itself, of course, referencing Casablanca.
Don’t forget the butler, Miller .
elf6c
July 23, 2003, 2:50pm
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GW: I am shocked, shocked to find out the Uranium claim was known to be false when I said it.
CIA: Your winnings sir.
BTW: the first scapegoat was not enough, so the Bush Administration is pushing a new one out.
A top White House official has been forced to admit that the CIA director, George Tenet, had warned him in two written memos and in a phone call that intelligence relating to Iraq seeking uranium in Africa was faulty but that he did not remove the claim from a speech by President George Bush.
Stephen Hadley, the deputy National Security Adviser who works with Condoleezza Rice, said he had apologised to Mr Bush for the failure, which he blamed on a lapse of memory.
“I should have recalled at the time of the State of the Union speech [on January 28] that there was controversy associated with the uranium issue,” Mr Hadley said. Mr Bush quoted British intelligence saying that Iraq was seeking uranium in Niger, citing it as evidence that Saddam Hussein had reconstituted the state’s nuclear program. John Howard quoted the same British intelligence claims in the Australian Parliament.
and more
They were warned 3 fucking times and still used it. So much for we didn’t know. Written evidence even. Although I am sure the Apologista’s will come up with a compelling explanation. :rolleyes: Or another lame Hillary Clinton hijack attempt.
wring
July 23, 2003, 2:57pm
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anyone else interested in the word selection?
the Nigeria information was “suspect”.
not “obvious forgery” but “suspect”
*Originally posted by Dissonance *I dare say, dear sirs, that since my sum total knowledge of all linguistics come from Hollywood, that Usual Suspects only dates as far back as a 1995 movie
This, or any, board simply should not allow participation by anyone who has never seen Casablanca . Standards simply must be upheld. They must be.
Mods? Where y’all at?
elf6c
July 23, 2003, 7:16pm
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Trilateral commission meetings. They will be back after deciding who wins the Emmy’s and what new additives to pump into the drinking water.
Watch yourself now or Jack Valenti might have every copy of that ‘alleged’ movie colorized.
