Or vice versa.
Lord knows what “Just like Russia” is supposed to mean.
Russia is giving illegal information to the New York Times and Washington Post?
Russia’s intelligence community illegally gives information to Russian media?
The NSA and FBI are illegally giving information to Russia?
Knowing Trump, I think he is once again disrespecting our intelligence community in the worst way. Not only he is accusing them of leaks, but that he is accusing the intel groups of the leaks and that are being made on purpose, just like Russia did during the election against Clinton and the Democrats.
I love this. I’m willing to bet that there are reporters from both those papers who get up every morning with the sole purpose in life being the investigation of this poseur and his cronies, and who use moronic tweets like that to fuel the fire. Keep it up, dumb-ass; hell hath no fury like a scorned press.
Trump seemed to think that the best possible way to spend his transition, and to launch his administration smoothly and productively, was to piss off the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the CIA.
God, what an idiot. And thank god that he is.
I don’t know what he means either. Just like the leaks about his dossier? Just like the leaks about Flynn? Or does he mean that Russia has no control over information and it all leaks all over the place, in which case he an even bigger idiot than I thought. I seem to keep saying that. There has to be a bottom to that somewhere, right?
I think what Trump is trying to say is that the problem is not the fact that Flynn had secret meetings with Russian intelligence, and that many of Trump’s top advisors had many meetings with Russians both before and immediately after the elections, and it’s not a problem that Flynn lied about these meetings, and there is no problem with the fact that Trump KNEW that Flynn had talked with the Russian ambassador on the VERY DAY that the sanctions were announced (but never told Pence about it), and there is no problem with Trump KNOWING all of this for WEEKS, and still keeping Flynn on…
The actual, real problem is that someone told the truth about all of this, and made Trump look like a complete ass.
The safety and security of the country is not the important thing to worry about at this point. Someone made Donald Trump look like an ass, and we should be focused on finding and punishing that person!
Huh. Whaddya know? Turns out a motivated press can find out all kinds of interesting things, such as there was extensive contact between Trump aides and the Russians during the campaign.
Trump’s response:
This is actually such a legible tweet that I suspect someone else wrote it.
Has anyone started a thread on who’s leaving after Flynn?
Yo, Trump: THE CAMPAIGN IS OVER. HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION
True, but you can’t deny that the idea of the security apparatus targeting politicians, and the cabinet of the current administration specifically, is worrisome. It’s not a trend anyone would want to continue. Then again the supine GOP membership is another thing that shouldn’t continue but likely will.
And the intelligence community considers it to be on in a manner similar to Donkey Kong.
They were targeted by the Trump administration first. The Intelligence Community didn’t start this. There comes a time when doing the right thing for the country isn’t the same thing as doing the right thing for the President. This is that time. Trump shouldn’t have started a war if he didn’t want the other side to fight back.
You do hear what you’re saying, right? An unelected agency, possessing massive resources and abilities to invade privacy, fabricate evidence and publicly disseminate their creations/findings should be encouraged to act on those capabilities if they feel slighted by a politician?
He’s an ass and a fool but is Trump is sufficiently dangerous to want to uncork that genie?
Given that the intelligence services are well aware of the risks (which is probably why they didn’t leak what they knew before the election – they, like everybody else, expected Clinton to win and take them off the horns of this dilemma) and are in a position to know just how thoroughly beholden Putin’s Pissboy is to hostile foreign interests, I’m willing to give them enough benefit of the doubt to presume that, yes, the danger is sufficient to justify crossing that particular Godzilla Threshold.
Wait who said anything was fabricated? Cite for fabricated evidence?
Also the Intelligence community is supposed to protect the US from threats both foreign and domestic. If the intelligence is telling them that the White House is actually a threat to the US, then what are they supposed to do? Look the other way? Really?
No.
If they have informed the president that someone is a MAJOR SECURITY risk, because that person has lied about contacts with the Russian government…
And yet the president puts that person in a role with major national security implications anyway, and lets the VP lie in public.
THEN, they need to do something. This is not “feeling slighted”. This is putting the safety and security of the country ahead of protecting the president’s lies.
“He will die in jail.” :eek:
That was a tad chilling. I’m torn. I think Trump is a truly terrifying President, and I want him as far as possible away from any national power or influence. But, I share Grey’s concern about the spooks taking it upon themselves to “go nuclear” on the President. I don’t want to live in the equivalent of a banana republic, where the security apparatus really runs the show. Nor do I want to live in an authoritarian regime where Trump runs the show.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
I share your concern, but I am encouraged by the fact that they said “he will die in jail”, not “he will die in office suddenly and mysteriously”. Rule of law and all that. 
I said they are capable of fabricating evidence.
You’ve missed my point. If you allow the security apparatus to unilaterally act against an elected President and their cabinet, you have destroyed the village to save the village.
The various spy agencies can report through the political process and have those mechanism deal with the problem.
And if the political mechanisms are all controlled by the same corrupt party that will not investigate one of its own, then what? What if the security apparatus is the only entity willing to act to prevent the Republic? We are in uncharted territory here, so unfortunately the traditional mechanisms of handling this kind of thing appear to be completely incapable and/or unwilling to do so.