Buying a new computer

I’ve searched through threads here and IMHO and haven’t found anything for the last month so I thought I’d start a thread here.

I haven’t purchased a new computer in quite a long time and, as such, I’m a little out of date on what the current specifications are on computers. I’d like to buy something soon, but not without doing a bit of research into what’s available and what I need. So I thought the SDMB would be a good place to start.
Let me tell you a little about what I’m looking for:

  1. I need a desk computer not a laptop. I might get a laptop later but I’d mostly be using that for word processing programs so I scout out used ones later.

  2. Due to a generous donation by a family member, I’m able to afford nearly anything that’s out there. That doesn’t mean I HAVE to spend a lot, just that, if need be, I can. I’m still looking for a good deal.

  3. The available memory isn’t an issue. 10 Gigs, 120 gigs, makes no difference to me. There’s no way I’ll come close to filling it anyway.

  4. What really concerns me is processing speed. I multi-task and I don’t want the programs I’m running to start slowing down the computer. How much RAM can I get? What speed CD-W can I get? What about DVD? Do all computers come with built in burners now?

  5. Other random things. How many USB ports might I need? What should I look for in a monitor? Are flat screens really better? Anything else you can think of I might want to look into?

  6. I know someone’s going to say “build your own computer.” That is a possibility, with the help of some of my more computer savvy friends. But it’s not an absolute guarantee. So while specs are nice, and wanted, I’d also like to know what models are available that you’d recommend. What could be coming out in the near future that I might want to wait for?

I’ll take information on both Mac and IBM compatibles. Heck, I might even try Linux as the OS. We’ll see.

Thanks a lot in advance for any information.

Since you’re looking for advice and opinions, rather than a factual answer to a specific question, I’ll move this to IMHO.

-xash
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Well I’m in the process of buidling a computer, but it’s mostly because I’m a geek and like doing things like that. I’ve seen some pretty good deals around, so now is definitely a good time to get one.

For about $750 this is a pretty good deal.

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=303971&pfp=cat1

I have to say I was pretty impressed with some of the Hewlett Packard computers in terms of features for price.

Keep in mind almost all these deals don’t come with a monitor.

You are missing some very important info.

What will you be using the computer for?

Well, schoolwork to start off with. Business next year. But it will probably have some games on it so a combination of business and pleasure. Still, it will just be a home computer so I doubt I’d be taking it into an office with me.

I’ve noticed on World Eater’s link the computer has a 2.13GHz Processor. What does that mean anyway? How far can it go up to and how does that affect the speed of the computer as compared to the RAM the computer has?
From what I’ve seen, 512 seems to be the most RAM available right now and 16x DVD speed plus…what? 52x CD speed, seem to be max. Does that seem accurate to you all?

If you’re not computer-saavy, and you don’t want to get computer-saavy, get a Mac. It saves a lot of hassles in the long run, having the hardware and software and operating system made by the same manufacturer.

Well my reccomendation:

http://alienware.com/

Specifially:

http://www.alienware.com/system_pages/area-51.aspx

Go there, and choose on of the three options. I would suggest the extreme, but the performance with an upgrade on the video card (FX 5900 Ultra), will be sweet as well.

I say alienware because:

  1. You don’t know enough about computers to build your own system.

  2. You said you had some money to use for this.

Alienware is really good at building systems, they (and falconwest) are the only companies I would by a computer from. I usually build my own systems though :wink:

With an Alienware PC you get upgradability, tweaked performance that’ll shame other Comps with similar specs, and reliable customer support.

So go check it out and never look back :wink:

Also, if you plan on gaming I would say stick to PC, don’t bother with Mac. And either be ready to pay top cash for a really good plasma monitor, or better yet get a flat screen 22 inch CRT for less. A plasma monitor is not ideal for gaming.

Have fun!

Some other tips:

Get either a Pentium 2.5 ghz or AMD XP 3000 processor (or thereabouts).

Make sure you have a mobo that supports AGP 2.0.
You’ll need atleast 512 Megs of RAM. The more the better.

HD space is up to you. If you’re going to be editing video, downloading divx movies, and mp3’s etc, these things add up. I would reccommend atleast an 80 gig hardrive.

Make sure you have atleast a dvd player and cd burner. A dvd burner is not necessary, but I would reccomend it if you want to store large amounts of data (they’re pricey though).

As I mentioned, if you plan on doing any sort of serious gaming I would stick to PC, and would forget about linux. Linux rocks, but it ain’t gamer friendly.

rjung, it’s not that I’m not computer savvy. I know my way around a computer system and am very capable with a number of software applications. What I meant by it is, not having a need to buy a computer for a very long time meant that I had no need to keep up with changes in technology.
I’m currently running on an HP Pavillion 8650C that my brother has leant me. It’s served it’s purpose but it’s now awfully slow despite my upgrading the RAM to 192 a few months ago. I got through college with a Mac, Performa (6150 I believe) with 800 MB of harddrive space and 7.0 opperating system.

This is the first time I’ve had a chance to get a good computer and I’d like a good computer. Kinthalis, I was at Best Buy today and a few of the employees I know were raving about the Alienware system they had in stock. At $2200 it damn well better be drool-worthy is all I have to say.
Nevertheless, the amount of hard core gaming I’d be doing probably wouldn’t be worth what the system costs me. I’ll look into it, but I don’t believe I’ll be getting it. Still, good processing speed for CDs, DVDs, games and multiple simultaneous programs are a must.

Thanks for all your help so far.

Computer deals change daily Enderw24 so it’s tricky to suggest one. You can find daily deal scoops from techbargains.com xpbargains.com fatwallet.com ebay.com

Right now after rebate 2.2ghz are about $350.00 …yep.

Here are some from TB today:
Dimension 2400 P4-2.2Ghz Desktop 128MB/40GB with free 48x CDRW $349 after $100 rebate. Free shipping. Select Desktops, Choose Dimension, Featured Systems under 2400, Customize it on leftmost.

Dimension 4600 P4-2.4Ghz Desktop with 256MB Dual Channel DDR333 (i865 chipset) and free 48x CDRW $549 - $150 rebate = $399 shipped free.

In that case, take a look at Falcon NW comps. Here are some more affordable models:

http://www.falcon-nw.com/talon.asp

I would reccommend you order form them directly. They are a great company and deliver good systems. Don’t buy from a retailer unless it’s Falcon NW. Usually the systems found in bestbuy or compUSA are built on the spot by the people there and you will not get any of percs of having these pro’s put it together for you.

The talon 5.5 looks the best and it’s almost 1,000 bucks less than the alienware.

If you do get a Falcon, make sure you get the optional network port if you ever plan on getting broadband or already have it.

As for monitors the BEST thing to do is to looka round your local newspaper for a computer fair near you. I got my 22 inch flatscreen CRT monitor for $100. Retail I would have payed $500 +.

Reading Handy’s post reminds me of somthing. Make sure you get the FULL system specs before buying ANYTHING.

What you need to know:

MOBO
manufacturer, Max RAM modules and MAX total RAM, AGP version support (you want atleas 2.0, but you REALLy want 3.0) What’s bundled on? (Network port, sound, graphics, etc).

CPU
Make, model and Speed as well as FSB speed.

RAM
Amount, make and speed.

The rest you should know about.

A lot of these bargain computers stick you with built in sound and graphics which is not good since you’ll end up having to upgrade both anyway.

If you’re not looking for gaming, but want serious power for multitasking and the like, especially when doing photoshop, I would just max out your processor and ram. You can pretty much ignore high end videocards, which will add several hundred dollars to the price, and pick yourself up a $100 card that will work well enough for you.

Actually, if you multi-task a lot, here’s what I would recommend for lots of programs, minimal gaming. Actually, I’ll give you two, one real, one silly but hey, sometimes silly is good.

Real
Pentium 4 3.06 800Mhz FSB
1 GB Ram
Intel Mobo w/ Gigabit Ethernet
120GB SATA HD
Geforce 4 Ti (128MB) AGP
Geforce 4 Ti (128MB) PCI
Creative Soundblaster Audigy
2x Phillips 19" Monitors
HP DVDrw (DVD and CDR)
Enermax Glowy Case

I just speced out this system at www.mpipc.com and came to a total of 2140. Now, this system is a bit big. It's got two screens, which is really quite nice when running mulitple programs. It's got lots of ram, which you want. It's got an amazing amount of HD space which wasn't that expensive. You can make CDRs and DVDRs. Add an extra 100 or so for little extras, like mouse, keyboard, floppy drive.

The big money sinks in this pc were the DVDr, the monitors and the highest end CPU (the next down is about 200$ cheaper, but doesn’t have the newest tech, Hyperthreading). If you want to run Photoshop, Illustrator, Outlook Express, Internet Explorer, Quark and maybe some Adobe Acrobat all at the same time, though, this system is for you.

Silly
Dual Xeon 2.4 533 FSB
Asus Mobo w/ Gigabit Ethernet
1GB Ram
2 80GB EIDE HD
GeForce FX 5800 AGP
NEC 21" Monitor
Soundblaster Audigy
HP DVDr Drive
Enermax Glowy Case

Ok, so my last PC was silly too, or this one isn’t silly enough. This weighs in at 2500$ and is built to handle many applications at once. Sure, no one really NEEDS dual processors, but you can make your neighbors jealous. Plus, you can downsize the monitor and videocard and get the dual monitor setup for the same price.

If you don’t want dual monitors, the first pc, with the extra card and monitor cut out, will last you a long time. If you want to be a bit silly and have something that will run for a long time without upgrades, the dual system would work, though it works best on processor intensive applications like 3D rendering or movie making.

I you can give me a bit better idea of what you’re looking for, maybe I can give you better suggestions.

Kinthalis, HideoHo, and handy, thank you all for the suggestions. 1GB of RAM? I’ve never seen it that high. Good lord, does it start processing things 5 seconds before you even ask it to?

I’ll be checking out some of the recently linked websites soon to see what offers they have. Thanks again.

I’d stick with XP for now. Preferrably XP Pro. It’s a solid OS, and it’ll give you a chance to try out some of the newer software you wouldn’t have the opportunity to use on an older system. Then, down the road, you can throw Linux on a separate partition and run it side by side with XP. That way, you can always return to Windows if Linux isn’t your cup of tea. Have fun and good luck with your computer shopping.

Hell, I just ordered one of these.(Figured might as well get a new computer now to help me with school work when I start that up again in September.) I got it with the above stats(well except a DVD instead of CDRW), a ATI 9800 and a monitor for $679 shipped. Amazed at home much this stuff drops in price. (My current computer was about $1000 without a monitor.)

Even though I am a Mac person (eagerly saving up for a G5) I did get a good PC custom-built at a local computer shop. (Actually, another Doper in my area recommended this place to me.) I got just the parts I wanted, and I paid a fair price, with 3 year warranty and everything.

This is the second PC I’ve had custom built and I really prefer it this way. The last one was built in early '99 and it still is plugging away. This one is very nice too–1 GB of RAM, good ASUS motherboard, a very nice video card, CD-RW and DVD drives, etc. etc. Oh, and XP Pro. I kept hearing recommendations for XP Pro as opposed to XP Home, and I figured I might as well get it.

I also recommend a flat panel LCD monitor. I’ll never go back to CRT. Too “flickery”, too hot, too heavy, too much eevvvillllllll radiation. LCD is the way to go!

Regarding 1 GB RAM: Yes! 1 GB RAM is good! Excellent! Both my Mac and PC have a GB of RAM and I wouldn’t have it any other way. 512 MB is very good, don’t get me wrong, but you might as well go whole hog for a little more and get it to 1 GB. Some applications are real RAM hogs. Even if you don’t need all that RAM now, you will want it later. So just get it now!

You say you have some computer savvy friends–can you ask them about a local computer shop that has a good reputation and has been around for a while? Many local shops will offer warranties, will be right in your area when you need technical support, and you get the parts you want and the configuration you want. I’ve been really happy with my custom-built PCs so far.

This is a fairly common misconception. Since you said you know little about computers, I’ll try to present things through analogies, but obviously somewhere the analogy breaks down. If this is too basic for you, I apologize, but someone may find it useful (this is how I explained it to my Mom, and she got it).

RAM (or memory) lets a computer store information in a quick-access format. Think of it as the stuff the computer is currently thinking about.

Hard drive space (or disk space), on the other hand, is all the knowledge the computer has available. But it’s in a slow-access format. Think of it as the file cabinet in the corner. Sure, the info you need is there, but you don’t want to have to walk across the room every time you need it.

Both of the above are measured in the same units (bytes, KiloBytes, and now MegaBytes and GigaBytes), so it can be a bit confusing.

For an example, Windows XP uses around 100 MB of RAM while running. That means that to have the operating system, you need at least 100 MB of RAM in your computer. However, it needs around 1 GB of space to install into. That means that all the data associated with it takes up 1 GB of space, but at any given time your computer is only “thinking about” 100 MB of it.

If you don’t have enough RAM, then your computer will sort of fake it by pretending to use part of a hard drive for its memory. This is called virtual memory, but can be very very slow. Think of it as having to pull a phone number out of your file cabinet, but only being able to remember 2 digits at a time. You have to make 5 trips (we use ten digit dialing in this land of make-believe) across the room, each with two digits in your head (memory).

Now, in the above situation, if you increase your memory by a factor of 5, you will experience a factor of 5 speedup! More memory makes things go faster!However, what if you now double your current memory so that you can remember 20 digits? Well, unless you need to think about two phone numbers at a time, things won’t have speeded up at all.

So, memory helps your computer do many things at once, but as long as you aren’t trying to do too many things, the amount of memory won’t make an appreciable difference in speed.

I have 512 MB of RAM in the box I’m on right now, and I just tested to see what I’m using. I’m running Windows XP, two web browsers, Winamp, mIRC (a chat program), Trillian (another one), Microsoft Word with a small document open, and Outlook Express. Other than Windows XP, the programs I’m running take a total of about 100 MB of memory. If we assume that Windows XP takes around 100, then I have a good 300 MB to spare. Enough to run lots more programs. I hear that Photoshop is a real memory hog, so if you plan to do image editing, can’t hurt to pile on the RAM. RAM, though, is pretty easy to add later, just make sure you have empty slots on your motherboard.

Memory also comes in several different speeds. While I’m not sure what the fastest is right now, you should get the fastest you can afford. Because the speed of memory (not the size) does greatly improve performance.

Processors, which measure their speed in the number of cycles per second they go through (think of it as the number of times in a second that the computer can add two numbers together. It isn’t, but think of it that way ;)). Current processors are around 2 GHz, which is 2 billion cycles per second. Odds are that unless you are doing video processing or really snazzy games, any processor you buy will be fine to deal with most stuff. I’m running on a 1.2 GHz Duron processor, I run lots of modern software, and I’ve never felt like my computer should be running “faster.”

On the Mac vs. PC issue, I use both, and like both for different things. Basically, it comes down to what you are comfortable with and who is around to help you out. On the whole, I don’t feel that Macs are any simpler than PC’s, but there’s lots of things I’d never figure out on both if I didn’t have someone around to ask about it.

2 points based on reading the above couple of posts:

RAM speed IS important, but you have to realize that you need to buy what your system configuration supports.

If your current processor and motherboard combo does not support the high FSB speeds for your RAM, That RAM speedwill not help.

And CRT vs plasma tv’s: CRT is the clear winner for the time being.

Why? Sharper, better refresh rates, much better resolution support, and cheaper. For the price you pay to get a 15 inch 1024x768 (native resolution) plasma (LCD) monitor (with a poor refresh rate) you can get a 21" CRT, flat screen monitor supporting refresh rates as high as 80 mhz and reliably supporting resolutions from the 512’s to 1600’s.

Some new computers come with 128M of memory, be sure to get more than this. I got a 4550 with 128M & after everything loaded there was only 25M free…