Buying new car - seeking recommendations

(Mods, feel free to move this to GQ if you feel it necessary)

I totalled my car last week in a fairly hairy two-car wreck - my compact, vs. a mid-size SUV. Everyone walked away, shaken, but alive. Frankly, the less said the better, since the insurance claim is still pending.

Aside from reinforcing my appreciation and love for my wife and young’uns, it also made me slightly revise my previously held opinion that small size + greater fuel efficiency was more desirable than better handling, more power, and more mass.

I know, I know - I’m a baaad liberal. However, I’m not leaning towards a Yukon or Excursion just yet. I’m thinking of getting a new (2008-or-09) mid-size sedan, or more likely a coupe version, somewhere below $22k, and have narrowed it down to three likely choices:

Hyundai Sonata V6 (4 dr - doesn’t come in a coupe)
Honda Accord i4 coupe
Nissan Altima i4 coupe

Looking for an automatic - not big on stick shifting (and I do know that the Altima auto is a CVT). Also need decent room for at least 2 of my 3 kids - my 6 and 8 year old girls might need ferrying in this car occasionally if my wife’s minivan is ever in the shop, or if she’s otherwise engaged.

My commute is an almost even mix of freeway and back-road driving, with a bit of city driving but not much.

The three models I’m looking at so far come highly recommended in the “sporty, but still somewhat economical, with decent heft and rear-seating room” category. Coming from a compact car, I’d rather not get a four door sedan if I can help it - the main reason the Sonata is in there is that I’ve read and heard that the V6 version scoots, and it’s very well appointed for the price.

My questions are these:

  1. If you’ve had any direct experience with either of these three cars, what are your thoughts? Benefits, weaknesses, overall impressions?

  2. Am I missing an obvious model here, given my requirements - ample rear seating, fairly sporty, decent heft but not too big, and of course $$?

  3. Any off-the-wall models you feel I should consider? For reasons practical or otherwise?

Thanks in advance for any feedback you can provide.

And on preview, I just realized that my signature could not be any more appropriate. . . :smiley:

Hyundai first — definitely.

I would toss in the Subaru Legacy and Mazda 6 for consideration – check out the various sport packages/trim/options or full-blown sport models, the GT and Mazdaspeed, respectively. I am wrestling with a very similar shopping dilemma. I am a car guy and I am very close to grabbing a slightly used Subaru GT or Mazda 6S to get the price/car I want.

When I travel and rent a car, I ask for the Hyundai, as they are part of many rental agency fleets.

Accords are ‘nice’. meh - I don’t want ‘nice’. The newest ones have more flair, but give it 6-9 months and they will be everywhere and as vanilla looking/feeling as anything out there. Bor-ing.

I just bought a Honda Civic sedan after my last car was drowned in the flood here. I’m really loving it. It’s not too big, good gas mileage, and has more horsepower then I’ll ever need.

I’m not understanding why you wouldn’t want a sedan over a coupe when you have kids. The difference between the two is only a couple hundred dollars, and the sedan has much easier access to the rear seats.

As for how common they’ll be in a few years, so what. I did my research on the internet, went to the dealer for a test drive, signed up to buy mine, and when I got home, I realized I still didn’t have a good idea of what it looked like. A car guy I am not. But the Civic looks nice anyway.

I’d get a Camry if I were you, but I say that only because I’ve had Camrys before and loved them. I sort of want a Chrysler 300 just because they look so badass (we call it the Mafia Car) but I have no idea if they’ve any good on fuel/safety/etc. There’s also the Avalon, which is just a Camry but a bit bigger and more luxurious.

You can buy a big SUV (HUMMER, SUBURBAN, etc.) , get up to $7000 back (cas) plus 0% financing, and gas pricing protection ($2.99/gallon).
Then, when gasoline drops back to $2.50/gallon, all you friends who paid $5,000 over book (for their Priuses) will look like fools! :smack:

The V-6 Sonata does indeed “scoot”. I rented one once - pretty nice ride. I read that the model is being “refreshed” this year (not sure if they are on the dealer lots or not). Newer, nicer interior, slightly more engine power. Make sure you get one of those if you elect for the Hyundai.

Car and Driver last month did a article on a long term test car they had in their fleet - it was an Altima V-6. Generally favorable…but I think they had some issues with interior fit and finish, etc.

What about the Chevy Malibu? Also new this year, and I’ve seen local dealers price them competitively.

Thanks for the feedback everyone - it’s good to hear that the Sonata is highly regarded here. It’s come a long way from being the brunt of jokes, and lines like “I came here in a BMW - you came here in a Hyundai.” (first to guess the movie title gets a spin in the new car - if you can find me :P)

Goblinboy, I like Civics, I really do. But I’m looking for a bit more mass - the car I had before was about the same size as the Civic (again, I’m being coy on the details because the claim is still pending), and if I were hit 6-12 inches further back, I would now be, as my friend put it upon seeing the photos, “strawberries and cream”. That’s why I’m looking at mid-size coupes, and maybe sedans - bigger, more mass, and a bit more oomph to get myself out of the way quicker.

I’m not looking for a family sedan so much as a smaller, sporty, well-built car that I can haul the kids in in a pinch without having to fold them into the back seat like origami (Mini Cooper, anyone?). We do most of our family driving in a Sienna, and since I got that car for my wife at her request, she’s insisting I choose a car based on what I like, rather than practicality. Probably because I’m now making enough to afford it (barely), after driving small, underpowered cars for so long, while she’s always had the bigger, better appointed car (so this is what exploiting guilt feels like!).

Ellen Cherry, I’ve driven Camrys before, and the handling isn’t not quite as responsive as I’d like it. While it’s not in Buick territory, I want something with a bit more snap in the steering, and more of a connection to the road.

Joemama, I like the look of the Malibu, but I’ve read that they’re lacking in responsiveness and handling. Plus, GM has got to go through a couple generations of cars with very high reliability ratings before I’ll even consider them, given the quality control problems they’ve had over the years.

Anyway, I’m going out today to test-drive the three I mentioned (as well as a 2009 VW Jetta SportWagen - having had a compact wagon, I’d like to keep the cargo space if I can). The VW dealership also sells Mazdas, so I’ll look for a 6 that grabs my eye. GT and Mazdaspeed models are a bit outside my price range, though.

Thanks again for all the feedback, and I’ll report later on what I’ve gotten (if indeed I get something).

I don’t personally like the look of the Ford Fusion, but they are well regarded by many, and Ford dealers are often more flexible on the price.

I’m right there with you on the looks of the Fusion - big-time meh.

I’ve pretty much ruled out all the domestic badges on aesthetics alone - if the Dodge Charger weren’t so damn porky, I might consider it, but the weight and mileage is awful. And the Avenger is a poor imitation.

For a brief second I considered getting a used Porsche, but that was just my id talking.

A 1977 Thunderbird.

I have a 2002 Hyundai Sonata, and I absolutely love it. My next car will probably be a new (or newish) Sonata. I’ve gone on four-hour trips with three other people riding in my car, and everyone was very comfortable. The gas mileage for 2002s is kind of crap, but the newer ones are supposed to be a lot better. I’ve never had any major (and very few minor) mechanical problems. I’ve known two other people with Sonatas, and they both had good things to say.

I’ve rented the Sonata, my gf’s friend has the Accord, and my older sister has the Altima. The Altima feels like a wannabe. Gas is ok, but I can’t help but feel like it’s faux luxury. The Accord was too new when I drove it, and it didn’t feel broken in. It feels fast, but I’d like to see it under the clock. It felt much less luxurious than the Altima, but I think it’s because it didn’t have leather seats. I really like the Sonata. Imo, it has the best pick up of the three and it had a lot of options. If all you care about is price, go with the cheapest. I think, however, Sonata will give you the most bang for your buck, but might overall be the most expensive. Hondas are ubiquitous, but my gf’s friend’s bf swears by them.

I remember looking at the Mazda 3s since they get such good reviews and are considered top of their class.
They were nice but I thought bigger would be nicer and looked into the Mazda 6.
Unfortunately they aren’t rated as well as the 3s.
Review
They seem to favor an Altima, Accord, or Camry.

Our company car is a Honda Accord, and I was really impressed with it. (It’s the first car we’ve been given to use that wasn’t total junk.) It had nice pickup and was really comfortable, just a lot of fun to drive.

The Accord sedan feels solid and has good room in the back. The coupe (2008) felt like the roof was coming down low and smushy in the back but I’m also taller and bigger than your kids – they’d be OK in a pinch.

I just bought an 08 Hyundai Elantra SE. They gave me a Sonata 4-cyl as a loaner while they finished the prep on it, so I got to compare the two pretty closely. My other car is a Mazda 3, so I’m used to fairly tight steering and handling. The Sonata felt too cushy for me in the ride and handling, and generally too big, although it was a very nice car otherwise.

I’d definitely recommend you test-drive an Elantra SE, if you can get your hands on one. I think I bought the last SE in the Midwest. It’s much roomier inside than my compact Mazda 3 and is actually rated as a mid-sized car by the EPA. The handling is firmer than the Sonata, though not as refined as my 3. I specifically recommend the SE because, unlike the GLS, it comes with wider tires and traction/stability control. It has good crash-test ratings. I’ve put not quite 600 miles on it so far and I’m very pleased with it.

I like my Mazda 3 5-door, but it doesn’t get great gas mileage…and the engine prefers premium. It’s fun as hell to drive, though, and that’s what sold me.

I test drove a Sonata when we were looking, and I didn’t like the road feel. I think the problem for me was that I prefer a manual transmission, and Sonatas don’t come in manual in Canada (well, they’re very hard to come by). We actually tried to buy and Elantra, but the dealerships in town are such massive asses that we gave up on it and ended up with a Corolla that I have come to love.

Check for lots of reviews before you buy an Altima - they were getting terrible reviews when we were looking, and we saw an example for ourselves: a fairly new Altima we were looking at had a repair folder as thick as your finger. My husband’s 1999 Tercel has had…nothing wrong with it.

As for Hondas, people still swear by them, but the scuttlebutt says that they have been riding on their reputation for awhile now. I test drove a Mazda, too, and it felt just the same as the cheaper Hyundais and Toyotas. Plus they have really annoying commercials. :slight_smile:

ETA: Every review we saw of VWs was terrible. They weren’t even a consideration for us.

**UPDATE: ** Well, I bought an Altima Coupe - 2.5 i4, continuously variable transmission, leather, moonroof, etc. Here’s the justification and since I can’t contain myself, a review:

I tried the Honda Coupe - nice comments first: I liked the styling (the rear 3/4 view almost looks like a Ferarri 599 if you squint and down a pint of Wild Turkey) - more on the Altima styling later. But the illusion of affordable sportiness was shot when the damn thing hunted for gears like Elmer Fudd during wabbit season, at anything less than 50 mph. Veerrry pitchy. And I couldn’t afford the V6, nor did I want that much power - if 190 hp doesn’t provide enough grunt to get the damn thing out of its own way, I don’t want it.

We were planning on stopping at the VW dealership next, but as we were headed to grab lunch, we noticed that the dealership nearby where we got my wife’s Sienna from (with a great buying experience) also had a Nissan store, while the Nissan dealership I had called earlier was across town attached to the Hyundai shop I was going to visit.

So I called this nearby shop on lunch, arranged to test drive, and the guy who helped us out (Costco/Internet fleet specialist, so more of an “experience manager” rather than a “salesman”) took me on an excellent backroads course that really let me stretch the Altima’s legs - out of 70 miles on the car when I signed the dotted lines (all 50 of 'em) and took the key-fob-thingy (see below), we put on at least 25 just on the test-drive.

I must say, the Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) was quite a pleasant surprise. I had read before that they had a “sewing machine” effect - rev them up, and they stay at a constant whine until you slow down below the optimal torque curve. Such was not the case with this powertrain - butter-smooth acceleration at low speeds, and when you tromp down, it just keeps on giving, while still giving off a throaty exhaust note (almost a V6 sound out of a 175 hp 4 cyl.). Plus, you can override to “virtual gear ratios” with a faux-manumatic feature if you want to push it to redline before manually upshifting.

Cornering at low, parking lot/school zone speeds felt a bit stately - not really floaty-boaty, but not as tight as the Honda at 10mph or less. But accelerating out of the corners at speed, it tightened up quite a bit, and you could feel the road without having every little pebble transmitted through the suspension, unlike the Accord at speed, which had more of an unsprung feel - kinda go-carty.

Road noise was pretty quiet for a sub-$25k car - I’ve heard noisier late-model Camrys. It’s certainly an improvement over my old compact. And the kicker was the options packages - it has leather, a moonroof, and a kickass Bose stereo, with a year of XM, Bluetooth voice-recognition, and dual-zone climate controls - plus a nifty little keyless push-button ignition system that I’ve seen before in other cars but for some reason endlessly facsinates me.

And we can fit all the kids in back - getting two car seats for the 2 and 5 year old kids alongside my 8 year old will be a bit of a tight fit, but for a quick jaunt to the coast, or a country drive, it’ll work.

As for the Altima’s styling - I like it. It’s a bit different aesthetic - not badly designed by any stretch, but unlike the few sporty coupes that are still around, it’s certainly based on a different design philosophy than its sedan analogue. One can definitely tell at a glance that this car is related to the Infiniti G35 coupe, the 350Z and, dare I say it, even the Skyline. But it’s not very evident that it’s based on the Altima Sedan (the styling of which I’m not a fan of). The Honda, while rakish, didn’t have such a design pedigree.

Plus, from the rear 3/4 view, the Altima looks vaguely like a Maserati. Hey, I did say vaguely. Maybe with the help of the aforementioned Wild Turkey.

My only complaints - the trunk is much smaller than the Honda (more shallow, really - width and length are about the same); I won’t be doing a whole lot of hauling, but trips to Costco on the way home from work will require judicious arrangement of boxes back there (rear seats do fold near-flat, tho). And I wanted blue, but they only had gloss black (scratch magnet), silver (ugh) and a dark slate that almost matches my wife’s minivan - much to her dismay I took the slate one. I just like the color better. But I still would have preferred blue.

It’s a bit more than I wanted to spend initially, but I got an awesome deal below invoice. Yeah, I know they have dealer rebates that we could have eaten into, but the whole point was that a professional gave us this price right out the gates within 5 minutes instead of us haggling for 2 hours with some 25 year old punk who just watched Glengarry Glen Ross for the 50th freaking time, just to get below sticker - I love buying cars through the “sponsorship” programs (Costco, credit union networks, etc). Unfortunately, the finance manager at the Nissan shop had come down ill, and so we had to go to a sister dealership which was really hopping and wait around - so while it took 15 minutes of negotiation, it took 3 hours (as per usual) to get the paperwork signed because he was busy booking Toyota deals he was actually getting paid on and we had to wait for some down time. But he’s the same guy who helped us sign our Toyota papers in record time last year, so it all balances out.

Overall, I can’t really complain. When the car payments hit next month, then I’ll complain. But for now, I am extremely happy - on the drive home, my face was hurting, I was smiling so much. It even inspired me to change my sig:

Glengarry Glen Ross? I don’t know if you were trying to reveal it yourself in that last post, but it’s from Glengarry Glen Ross. “You drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That’s my name.”

(I think compared to a BMW, a Hyundai is still a joke. But if you’re on a budget…well, you could get a used BMW in good condition? Or a Hyundai if you must have a new car.)