The BYU code is religous in nature, and holds people outside that faith to it. :dubious:
It’s widely known that BYU practically broke it’s collective fucking neck by looking so hard the other way in McMahon’s case…
They have gotten hardcore over the past few years, and don’t give anyone a free pass anymore.
When they choose to go to that school, right?
I don’t know that non-Mormons think they’ll be held to Mormon doctrine. Obviously I could be (and probably am) wrong.
No offense, but this doesn’t make sense. If I object to one school’s particularly asinine honor code, I have to hate ALL honor codes? Uh, no.
I object to a school using its considerable power of expulsion, withholding degrees, etc. to keep a bunch of teenagers scared of their genitals. There’s a reason 50% of graduating BYU students are already married. Because they want to have sex.
This might be a precise summary of the code’s purpose and effectiveness.
I don’t understand the disdain for BYU here. If you go to a school named after a famous figure in a well known very uptight religion and are surprised that they restrict your behavior, you are an idiot.
You can disagree with their values all you want, but I think it is admirable they do not make an exception for an outstanding athlete. Something I do not imagine happens at most other Division 1 schools.
BYU is a private religious school, the fact that their honor code is religious in nature is the whole point.
The only people that have to follow the code are people that choose to go to BYU.
The University of Utah is a public university located in Salt Lake City. Students going to the University of Utah do not have to follow BYU’s honor code. Salt lake Community College is a publicly funded community college in Salt Lake City. Student going to SLCC do not have to follow BYU’s honor code.
Do you see how this works?
He learned how to lie.
As further punishment the school is going to darken Davies’ skin more so that others will know his shame.
You actually think that BYU dosen’t tell prospective non-Mormon students about it’s standards and/or Honor Code?
WTF are you talking about! :rolleyes: So a student at Northeastern or BU has to follow Harvard’s code, or a Rutger’s student has to follow Princeton’s?
I’m sure they know about it, but believe (erroneously, obviously) that non-Mormons will be held to it.
He wasn’t as horny as Brigham Young was.
Many colleges have an honor code or something like it, although I don’t think Harvard does. Most of the time, including at Princeton, they’re promises not to cheat or plagiarize on your work. I would venture to guess that relatively few of those codes are overtly religious. You’d find that only at parochial schools like BYU and Notre Dame. So you are wrong if you’re implying you have to either support or oppose these things. Here is BYU’s honor code. It forbids drinking caffeine and having gay sex, and you need a doctors’ note if you want to grow a beard. So the objection, obviously, is to religious honor codes and not to “honor codes” as if all codes are the same. But it’s true that the students at BYU know the deal, or they should. Wikipedia says 98 percent of BYU students are Mormons anyway, so not too many of them are being ambushed here.
No one is forced to go to BYU, and all who do know the deal. Yes, it’s an oppressive code that I could have never followed, but that’s religion for you.
It may be that BYU has overlooked violations in the past, but if the girl’s up the spout, they can’t ignore it. They have to enforce the code or they lose all credibility.
How in the hell DID Jim McMahon last more than a week there?
You are claiming that all honor codes are equivalent?
I see what you are saying here, but it’s that the values are so out of whack that I can’t support anyone getting in trouble for it. Policing its students sex lives is in no way admirable. Encouraging students to rat out their friends is in no way admirable. Discouraging open inquiry and free expression is antithetical to the whole mission of higher education. I will not laud them for being unenlightened, petty, and voyeuristic spiritual thugs.
It wasn’t that long ago (late 80s, early 90s) that gay students at BYU would get sent to BYU’s Evergreen Program for electroshock aversion therapy. Test subjects would be shown gay porn, and then shocked if they exhibited arousal. This isn’t an admirable institution. It’s like 1984 and Hogwarts had a baby.
I LOLed.
I’m reminded of when “Mormon Julie” from REAL WORLD was suspended (or possibly expelled) back in the 1990s for violating their policy on living with men she wasn’t married or related to while filming the series. An irony was that she was an excellent ambassador for the religion: wholesome, friendly, pretty, remained true to her values while living in a mansion in New Orleans in Mardi Gras even (no small feat that) and talking of her faith and her virginity through it all- but she broke the rules and was buh-byed.
I don’t think anyone is saying they should not be allowed to have this honor code, just that this honor code is wrong. It doesn’t get a pass from criticism because it is religious based, or because people know about it before hand.
And I wouldn’t be at all surprised to discover that athletes, when being recruited, are told that the honor code isn’t enforced.
I guess the point of the OP was that it’s a joke to think that 18 - 21 boys aren’t having sex. Of course they are. Does the honor code also forbid porn and masturbation? The real honor code is how well you can fool others into believing that you’re not. It’s fun n games until someone forgets the condom!