You’re misunderstanding me. I said it isn’t immune from criticism just because people heard about it before hand. I understand them enforcing it, and haven’t said anything about it. But just because they are up front about a stupid policy doesn’t mean I cannot criticize it as a stupid policy. I am sure Bob Jones University was up front about the whole no interracial dating malarkey, but it was still a stupid ass policy.
People typically and consistently get kicked off of campus for getting caught having sex at ND.
Given that the move has generated as many negative reactions as positive ones (including some of those “unquestioning” Mormons), probably killed a potential national title team, and putting a serious damper on recruiting, yeah, I’d say it did take guts.
BYU was never going to win a national title, even if this didn’t happen. Now they just have an excuse.
When I was in school a guy got kicked off the Chess Team for having sex. The E.R. was able to save the rook and bishop though, and with some boiling water and Lysol they were still usable.
Seriously? As in, expelled?
That’s nuts.
No, as in kicked off campus. They’re kicked out of university housing. It’s a giant pain in the ass, because halfway through a semester you can’t find an apartment. You also have to probably go through some community service hours as well.
Read the post he’s responding to. I’ll quote the key part:
I’m pretty sure the military schools monitor your personal life. Thus that statement is false.
Actually, no, timeout. Could you please provide a citation? I couldn’t find one in my (admittedly brief) search.
ETA: Ah, I see. I’m sure you realize that’s a completely different issue, right?
With secret police?
And in any case, that’s not the point. He said that if you have a problem with one honor code you have to have a problem with them all. He also used Harvard, among others, as an example. As you know, Harvard is not a military school.
I’m not sure what point you think you’re making.
The local media has tiptoed around the issue, but it’s the elephant in the room that no one has mentioned—The Mormon Church and many of it’s faithful (especially the older members) still holds some blatantly racist positions, and many of it’s members would be scandalized to find out that their blond, blue-eyed daughter was getting busy with a big buck nigger.
Admittedly, they would also be pissed off that their daughter was sexually active with anyone of ANY race, but I fully believe that if Davies was a white student, this story would never have broken.
(disclosure—I have a nephew attending BYU, though he is currently serving a mission to Fiji)
MPB, you’re good people.
I refuse to sugar-coat things like that—I have heard more than one active, faithful Mormon use that exact language, and whether or not it’s admitted, there is a strong undercurrent of racism in the Mormon religion that is alive and well to this day.
Of course, not all Mormons (or even a majority) subscribe to these outdated notions of the racial superiority of caucasians, but especially among the older members there is a real tendency to look down at minorities, in particular ones in inter-racial relationships, which were forbidden in LDS Temple marriages until just a couple of decades ago.
Anyone who denies a strong element of racism in the teachings of both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, which still influence the church’s teachings to this day, is either willfully ignorant or just plain lying.
You can’t fool me, Sampiro. This is patently false.
No one on a college Chess Team was having sex.
Seconded.
As with racial prejudice in a lot of cultures, age is a big factor: the LDS people I have known who are my age or younger have been sincerely inclusive of all races, in and out of the church. But I have indeed known some older Mormons who harbored ugly levels of prejudice, particularly when intermarriage was involved.
You completely missed the joke, huh?