Apparently he’s thinking about running for a third term as governor. (Doesn’t CA have term limits? Or do they only apply to consecutive terms?)
CA Dopers, does he have a shot? Is “Governor Moonbeam’s” previous administration remembered fondly or derisively?
Brown served before term limits were passed, so they don’t apply to him. Yet.
I’m not a Californian, but if I were, I’d be much more inclined to vote for Newsom than Brown.
He is remembered unfondly by those with a memory as a governor. The right hates him for all his liberal programs, the left hates him for failing to stop “Prop 13” which was going to destroy the state (it did) and his overall kookiness and lack of conviction about anything. I’d prefer any other Democrat.
That said, I love hanging around him because he is one of the smartest human beings you will probably ever meet, and I’ve met him a few times. But I don’t want him for governor.
govenor Moonbeam. God I hope not.
But look at California voters. After 8 failed years as govenor he moves to Southern Callif to live. Then he moves to Oakland to get elected Mayor and they voted him in. * years later Oakland is in worse shape with more problems, just look at the news. So what do we do we elect him as Attorney General, and all he can do is go for the headlines.
Let me give an other example of Calif voters. School district superentdent, the state is considering taking over the district because of poor management. He quits before the ax can fall, new sup comes in to find a real mess. Lost of headlines about the mess that was left. He runs for the state Assembly stating his experience in the school district. He gets elected.
So yes we could have another term with Govenor Moonbeam.
It would be a really strange turn of events if Jerry Brown – who was last governor more than 25 years ago – should be elected to another term.
But frankly, I think he has a really good chance, based on name recognition alone.
After that, I think Newsom has the best shot, with maybe Villaraigosa also in there.
In California, name recognition is everything.
Ed
He’ll be back.
Doesn’t he have to become an actor first?
A lot of folks actually blame that on the current incumbent, Dellums. In reality Oakland has a number of insolvable ( or at least very long term ) issues that no mayor is going to be able to come fully to grips with in the short term. But Dellums, fondly lauded as a congressman, has been widely derided as a very disengaged and lackluster mayor. Meanwhile many people now look back “nostalgically” to Jerry Brown. Go figure.
but he has a really great theme song!!!
California Uber Alles!!!
To my shame, although I helped to elect him twice, I don’t have that much memory of his performance as governor. Watching him debate in his presidential runs was always worth a cringe, though, if only because his thought processes and rhetoric seemed to outpace his mouth’s ability to keep up. It left him looking a bit spittle-flecked.
I kind of have the sense that he’ll be the staid, experienced offering in the Democratic primary next year, and Gavin Newsom will be the flashy, exciting one. No bets on who will prevail, but I don’t even see the job as particularly relevant any more. No matter who’s in the governor’s mansion, until we reverse course on the two biggest blunders of the last quarter of the 20th century in California (Prop. 13 and term limits), we are well and truly boned.
Honestly, sometimes I just want to win the freaking lottery, grab the cash, and wave the state a big “So long, suckers! I’m moving to Hawaii!”
Never. Prop 13 needs to stay. Yes it is a badly written law. With prop 13 my property taxes are arounf $1500 a year my neighbors taxes are around $4000 a year. But what got prop 13 passed was tax incrreases of 200% to 300% each year. Apply that rate to my 1978 taxes and what would I be paying 40 years later. 40,000 to 50,000 per year? Who knows? That was the rate of incrrease on my home in Santa Clara County.
In montery county the rate was in excess of 400% each year. My dad left me 20 acres of land and the rate of increase each year was so high that I was having problems paying the taxes on my part of the ranch, and because of taxes I could not find a buyer. I was figuring that I would just have to turn it over to the county.
You say you can not remember Brown as gov, I also think you do not remember what property taxes were like.
I voted for Brown and my wife has never let me forget it, because at that time I worked for the state. Brown may have been for the workers, but he was sure against the state workers. I could never see how any labor organization could back him. We lost more under Brown than any Republican gov, except maybe the present gov.
It sounds like you guys need an entirely new state constitution, quite frankly.
Could be worse. We just had 8 years of a POTUS with whom it worked the other way around.
Well, since I’ve never owned property, I’ve never actually known what property taxes were like, if it comes to that. But I was 22 when we passed it. I remember that my vote for it was largely driven by the plight of the old widow across the street who had been forced to sell her home a couple of years earlier.
I don’t deny that there was a problem. But Prop. 13 was absolutely the wrong solution. And it is a large part of the reason why I think the initiative process in California is broken beyond repair.
I mean God bless Hiram Johnson for his good intentions, but the process has been corrupted and is doing more harm than good at this point.
That’s because your property taxes are extracted under anesthesia; but you pay them every time you pay your rent or buy something in a store.
Any specific suggestions?
Well, for one thing, amending it should not be a case of “Hey, you guys want a tax cut?” “Sure!” “Okay then, here’s a $50 million tax cut!” . . . . . . . . . . . . “Wait, what about the budget?” crickets “Hey, you guys want a tax cut?” “Sure!”
Repeat ad bankruptum.
The disadvantage of legislating by referendum is that the general public is not organized as a deliberative body. In an elected legislature, at least the right hand always knows what the left hand is doing, and you can’t propose a tax cut without someone demanding to know what budget items will be cut to pay for it. But you can put a tax cut and a spending measure on the same ballot and expect both to pass.
DAMMIT!!! :mad:
I was going to use this thread to tie in with the “Alien” thread … And, yes, I am slow.
I remember the beginning of the demise of the Dead Kennedys when the *Frankenchrist *album came out, and the Geiger poster that was included was used against the band as evidence for “distributing pornography to minors”.
Yeah, you Cali folks are *really *progressive.
Find your own link to the image. I’m not connecting myself to a crime, eh?
Well, the only POTUSes ever to come out of CA were Nixon and Reagan.