Calling all pilots

Hi all…

I’m wondering if there are any pilots in the crowd here. Not necessarily comercial pilots, but those with recreational licenses as well. Due to a recent break-up, I’ve suddenly found myself in posession of a much larger disposable income, and thought I might as well spend it on something that I’ve always wanted to do. Namely, get my recreational flying ticket. Of course, the idea of something that will get me out of the office is nice too. These 12 hour days are getting very wearing. Being a computer geek can suck. :slight_smile:

If you have any information you could give me on rough cost, good places to look for flight school, books I could read, anything like that, I would love to know.

I live in Vancouver, BC, so if you’re in the area maybe you could suggest a specific school.

Be good!
-niggle
hmph… maybe this should have been in GQ.

There are several pilots on here. Myself and Johnny LA for starters.

I bought my first airplane from a guy in Abbotsford. Lovely flight through the mountains back to Edmonton, I can tell you.

I’m a pilot, but I don’t want sex with you, if that’s the idea. I’m a virgin, except orally, so the mile-high thing is decades off.

Sam,

Hmmmm… Mind if I ask how much you can pick up a plane for? I know it’s a long way off for myself, but it’s good to know what you’re getting into. Did you find yourself renting planes for the weekend and such, before you had your own plane? How much will that run you?

What did you do for training? I just got information from a flight school in Abbotsford. Their most expensive cost (because of the plane used for training) is $3550 + tax. That includes everything from ground school to air time to licensing and medical fees. Is that comparable?

I seriously considered joining the air force for a while there. I think being in the situation where I can just pay for it without selling my soul is a bit better though. :slight_smile:

Thanks for answering my query!

-niggle

dpr: Umm, that’s fine. I can deal with the rejection. :rolleyes:

I’m a pilot, I’m in the military, and I still have my soul.

If you want to know how much flying costs, the answer is, “All of it.” Seriously. Worse that crack. Your disposable income will be disposed of, no sweat. But friend, it’s all money well-spent.

It’s the single greatest thing you can spend your time and money on, while remaining fully clothed. You will not believe the things it will give back to you. If you’re a GOOD pilot, that is.

Hi bluesman,

Sorry, didn’t mean to insinuate that you were soulless. I just didn’t like the idea of being sent off to bomb people. Gives me the creeps. The flying part, however… whew…

I think part of my hangup about joining the airforce is not knowing much about it. Mind giving a short description of sign-up to getting your wings? What do you fly, btw? How long before you were actually flying and not doing push-ups? What sort of knowledge do you need to be a pilot?

-niggle

We bought our Grumman AA1 for $11,000, flew it for 6 years, and sold it for essentially the same amount of money. It was a bargain.

However, airplane ownership is not for the faint of heart. If any annual inspection had shown a serious engine problem, it would have been a $15,000 bill. An Airworthiness Directive can come along at any time that grounds your airplane until you spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to comply.

If everything goes well, owning an airplane will cost you maybe $50/mo for a tiedown (or $200-$500 mo for hangar), maybe $500-$1500 a year for an annual inspection, another $500 or so for insurance. Then you’ll still pay for gas and oil.

Renting is typically cheaper unless you fly more than 100-200 hours per year, at which point owning may be cheaper. If you get the right airplane, it may even go up in value each year, offsetting the operating costs. That’s basically what ours did. It held its value even though the engine was flown several hundred hours closer to TBO (this usually degrades the value of an airplane).

The price you got for flying lessons sounds very cheap. Around here it’ll cost you at least $4500. Are you sure you were quoted for a full pilot’s license, and not that 25-hour recreational license?

Wow… $11,000 is a lot less than I was thinking a plane would cost. Of course, the maintinance sounds like it could quickly add up. I paid twice that amount for my car. =P I think I’ll stop thinking about buying a plane until I get the license.

I’m pretty sure it’s a full license. It’s listed as “recreational” but no restrictions (other than you can’t charge people for flying them or their goods around).

Maybe I can give you the details and you could tell me what you think.

The $3550 includes:

  • 40 hours of ground school (10 required courses, flying a simulator, etc)
  • 15 hours of dual flying
  • 10 hours of solo flying
  • medical exam of some sort… getting more info on this
  • Books, kit
  • Fees for the Transportation Ministry exams
  • several other things that I can’t remember off the top of my head

This is for flying a Cessna 150

Did I ask for the wrong information? Help!

I also thought it was rather cheap. I was expecting $5000-$8000 (canadian)

-niggle

Did someone call my name?

I don’t know anything about the Canadian license system, but 3,500 sounds very inexpensive (especially if it's in CDN). In the U.S., we have a “Recreational” license as well as a “Private” license. The former is rather new, and has more restrictions on it than a “real” (Private) license.

Let’s see…
20 hours dual instruction
($60/hr plane & $25/hr, instructor)…$1,700
20 hours solo flight…$1,200
Books & materials… hmmmm. Say…$0,100
Ground school (community college)…$0,100
3rd Class medical certificate…$0,075
FAA Examiner’s fee…$0,200
TOTAL…US$3,375 (about CDN$5,000)

I’m guessing about a lot of those rates. I fly a Schweizer 300CB that rents for $170/hr (block) and the ballast (I mean instructor) when required is $35/hr. Community colleges offer ground school down here, so that’s fairly cheap; but you could end up paying an instructor his hourly rate for it if there’s not a CC nearby. I totally guessed about the books and materials. You can get a cheap E-6B flight computer for $10 or so, or a good aluminum one for $30. Or you gould go digital and get an electronic one for $65 - $125. Maybe $100 is too low, but I think you can get by for that. You’ll eventually spend much more than that. Trust me. The medical cert. Depends on what your doctor charges (BTW, the doctor must be an “FAA Medical Examiner”). Incidentally, the 3rd Class medical cert. is also your Student Pilot License. The examiner’s fee depends on what he wants to charge. Oh. There’s also a fee for taking the written test (although in a Community College situation, it may be included or reduced).

In any case, the U.S. license requires a minimum of 40 flying hours, 20 of which must be solo. It seems most people take about 50 hours. I’d watch out for any place that guarantees you’ll get a license in 40 hours, or for a set price. You want to be a safe, proficient pilot. Don’t settle for just that piece of paper. Although I can’t prove it; and if they were really bad they’d be closed down by now, I think the “guaranteed price” places are more concerned about making a buck than turning out a good pilot. Just a feeling.

Enough about money!

Flying is the best thing in the world! High Flight will become your favourite poem. You’ll get to hear all of the bumper-sticker jokes (“Pilots are PLANE people with a special AIR about them”, “I’ve seen your approach, now let me see your departure”, “Pilots: Big watch, big wallet, big…?”), you’ll quote “Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous…” You’ll see the Earth from a great new perspective. (That’s especially cool if you like geology.)

As far as joining the military to fly, well I would have done it if I hadn’t taken one ski trip too many and wrecked my knee. Flying for Uncle Sam (or Queen and Country) doesn’t necessarily mean dropping bombs on people. A friend of mine flew UH-60s in Desert Storm, but she never fired a shot. She flew cargo and troops around. There’s also air-recon, tanker, transport, search-and-rescue… lots of things that don’t necessarily require killing people.

What about the Coast Guard (what’s it called in Canada? Same thing?)? You can fly a helicopter, big cargo plane, or a corporate-sized jet. Oh yeah, and you can save lives at the same time.

The downside is that you can get killed. Military pilots don’t generally get to choose when they fly, and often conditions are nasty. The upside is that you get paid while you train, then get paid to fly. What could be better than that? When your time is up, you can peddle your services to Air Canada.

Learn to fly. It may be expensive, but it’s very rewarding. Besides, what good will money do you when you’re dead? Spend and enjoy it now! :smiley:

Hmm… it seems I must have been quoted recreational instead of private… oh well. Must get different brochure.

Thanks for the great description of flying, and some info on other military jobs other than killing. :slight_smile: Although the military isn’t something I’ll be getting into any time really soon – I just have to much fun making video games – flying is definatally in my blood. I’ve been in small and large planes since I was 1.5 years old. Seem to spend more time in the air than on the ground until recently. Time to do it again.

I’ll let y’all know when I sign up.

Thanks for the info everyone!
-niggle

Yeah, that quote was for the recreational license. That license has a number of restrictions on it: You can’t fly complex aircraft, you can’t fly farther than something like 200 nm from home, no night flying, etc. There’s a horsepower, weight, and passenger limit as well. The rec license requires 25 hours of flight time.

The full meal deal for a Private Pilot’s license is 45 hours in the air, so you can add on about $2000 to your quote. Ground school is the same length. The main difference between the PPL and the Rec license is that you’ll need to learn more navigation, fly longer cross-country flights, and do a bunch of instrument work.