I wouldn’t fuck them if they talked like that.
How so? I never said adults can’t seem like minors.
This isn’t about who you’d fuck, this is about whose age you can determine from behavior.
Bolding mine. I have demonstrated that in some cases young teens and college students have the same behaviors and conversational topics. What’s your method of discrimination if you “cannot be fooled” and yet you “never said adults can’t seem like minors”?
It’s amazing how often people just have one or two topics that cause them to turn their brains off. Dio’s certainly no idiot, but when it comes to anything touching on the sexualization of minors or (perceived) violence against women, he seems incapable of leading with his head. I suppose this speaks well of his base motivations, but still.
It’s not quite as common in recent years, but one used to hear this sentiment expressed all the damn time when it came to spotting gays and/or the transgendered – ‘they never slip past me, I can always spot them.’ Well, no, probably not; it’s just that all the ones who do wind up fooling you have fooled you, so you never get the chance to add those data points.
Anyway, this is exactly the type of fallacy that **Dio **would have no trouble pointing out in most any other context, but in this thread he’s just going to reply to this by reiterating his conviction that, for all intents and purposes, he never mistakes minors for adults.
My son is 12. He is 5’10" and has a deep voice and dark hairs over his upper lip. He is most often assumed to be 16, but could probably pass for 18.
In either case, you cannot determine that you are talking to an adult, so it’s wise not to fuck any of them.
I didn’t say that adults can’t seem like minors, I’m saying that no one under 16 could fool me into thinking they were an adult.
Ha! My fiance started going gray at 16 and started losing his hair at 18. Now at 28 he is pretty much completely bald and looks about 35. I’m 27 but I look about 20 and if I were to put my hair in pig tails and wear pajama bottoms with a tank top I’d look like an overweight 16 year old. We occasionally get looks from people in public who think that our obvious 15 year age difference is gross despite the fact that our actual age difference is less than 1 year.
As for the impossibility of looking like you are 21 at 15 here is a man who actually made a career out of it. How old do you think he is in this picture?
In this picture Frank Abagnale is 18. He easily looks 25-30. Not only was he able to convince people that he was older (he told people he was 25) but he also had the charm to convince them to cash millions of dollars worth of fake checks.
What about this guy? How old do you think he is?
He is 30 years old. He plays a high school student on 90210!
Age can’t always be determined by a glance. It can be easy to age up or down as you see fit.
They usually have adults playing teenagers on TV and in movies. My guess was
27. Right away.Hot damn, I’m good. We need to make a new thread dedicated to this. I’m much better at in real life. The best tip for guessing someone’s age is to look at the forehead. The forehead never lies.
I sincerely hope you never run into a situation where your belief is tested in a meaningful way, then. I’m leaving the **Dio **zone as I should have done a while ago.
I hear a generous application of Head On! will throw you off though.
You need to work at a carnival or something. You’d make a killing.
I guessed 18 and 22, respectively. One thing that these pictures leave out is context. If you saw the guy in the first photograph hanging out with a bunch of 30 year olds, your brain would probably compartmentalize him as also 30. Likewise, if you saw a 27 year old cast with a bunch of high schoolers, you’d probably estimate he was younger.
Righto. People tend to guess I’m older than I am, and the theory is (from people too kind to tell me I look old? :dubious:) is because I’m usually in a crowd 10-15 years older than I am. I suppose this theory could be true, as when alone, or around people my age, the guesses are far more accurate. People tend to (often subconsciously) consider cues, such as who you’re around or how you style yourself, behavior, etc. If I threw on a tee and jeans and hung out at a bar by The U, I’m pretty sure people would think I were college-aged. I’m pretty sure of this because whenever I go some place by The U, people think I’m a student there, and I get carded a lot. As it generally is, I’m in work clothes, downtown, surrounded by very grown-up looking people, so people tend to assume I’m their ages. When I’m doing my circus Guess-Your-Age bit, I deliberately ignore all of the cues and just look at your face. It’s a better indicator of your age than who you’re standing next to, or what you’re wearing.
Though my record isn’t exactly perfect. Some people just look older. I would have never guessed the age of the guy in the pilot suit.
His thought process seems to be “I want to fuck 21 year olds. 12 year olds are children. Therefore if I say sometimes a 12 year old can look like a 21 year old, it means I want to fuck a 12 year old and am a pedophile. It doesn’t matter that there are medical conditions that make it possible. It can never happen cause then I’d be attracted to them, and that’s impossible.”
Look how his answers constantly refer back to his desire to fuck them, even though nowhere does the OP mention anything about sex or attraction. He can’t stop thinking with his dick.
And it doesn’t matter that even though many guys who admit to finding younger girls hot would never act on that desire. It seems to be, “You thought that young girl was eighteen and committed lust for her in your heart? YOU PERV!”
I don’t think that. I think it’s normal for men to feel sexual attraction to post pubescent girls.
What I object to is guys looking for legal loopholes which allow them to actually do anything about it.
I also can’t see how it’s at all a realistic scenario that a guy in his 30’s or 40’s is going to talk to an 11 or 12 year old for any length of time and be deceived into thinking she’s an adult.
Never mind; I misunderstood.
Girls are easily able to look 21, but I had a nephew that passed for 21 at 14. He was 5’10" and over 200 lbs and needed to shave. His mother told him to stop but he was making good money buying beer for his HS friends.
In my experience, it’s actually not that terribly difficult for a 12-13yr old kid who reads a lot and has a basic idea of what’s adult conversation and what’s not to pass for adult. Certainly that was my experience in the early days of the consumer internet (1992-1993) when I eschewed “kid” areas on Prodigy and AOL and spent my time either in general-interest chats or playing AD&D with guys in their 20s.
I got hit on a LOT by 20-something and 30-something women in those general-interest chats. Most of them, when asked point-blank, pegged me as 28-35 from conversation alone and they unanimously expressed surprise that I was as young as I was. Is it your contention that all of these women were pedophiles or unusually bad at determining age from conversational cues? I prefer to think I was significantly mature for my age, but you haven’t yet acknowledged that as a possibility.
I was not the only person I knew who could and did do this. Of the people I knew who passed for much older successfully and for long periods, the biggest difference was that they were either possessed of high IQ, high GPA, or both.
I also don’t think the ability to pass for 7+ years different than your true age in either looks or conversation is at all common, merely that it has happened before to me–I was served beer while in a restaurant with my cousin and dad at age 14 (at which point I could easily grow a beard in a month, which probably helped), and the aforementioned discussion of my ability to pass for older online.
Certainly, if you had seen me in the context of my school peer group, it would have been easier (although they tended to make me look older too, as I was a mentor figure to a (frankly somewhat annoying) gaggle of younger band kids at any given point in my high school career. When I was standing in the middle of a cluster of average 7th-9th graders, I was quite often assumed to be a paid instrument coach in my 20s rather than the high school junior I was.
This more properly should be in the other thread, but the discussion is here for now so I’m going to say it here.
No one is looking for that. They are looking (in the other thread) for defenses against people who give many signs of being of legal age but who are not. They are not looking for plausible ways to deny having sex with a 14-yr-old.
Look, man. There was one point in college where I was hanging out with a girl for about two-three weeks when I was 20. I knew many of her friends–in fact, she was a bridesmaid at a wedding, this is how I met her. She was all over me, we talked about the college classes we were each taking, etc. Not ONE of the friends (all my peers at age 20-22) bothered to give any indication that she was actually 15-16 and taking college classes as an adjunct to high school until I point-blank asked, and she was going out of her way to deceive me into believing she was legal. You had better believe I felt sick to my stomach when I found out, and she’d only sat in my lap and kissed me a few times. That I felt sick about it doesn’t change my essential desire to avoid legal liability (and I am, technically in this state, able to be convicted for corrupting a minor given that she spent time in my dorm room alone with me) for what was deliberate deception on her part and ostensibly-benign collusion from our peers.
I don’t talk to any of those folks any more, obviously. The point stands.
Go ahead and call me a pedophile, if that’s what you think this makes me.
This would be my thought as well.
When I was 13, a fellow student at Freshmen Orientation confused me for being staff at the high school bookstore. Granted, I thought he was a loon for thinking so, but he was genuinely confused and asking me where things were in the bookstore. He turned bright red when I told him I was a student.
When I was 16, I was taking summer courses at the local college and was often confused for someone who was 18 or older, even by the professors. None of whom were trying to hit on me. The 24 year old who did hit on me when I was 16 knew fully well how old I was, though.
Even now, a friend just told me that my boyfriend (who is a little over 2 years older than I am) looks younger than me. Not a huge age difference, I know, but I would still say it is possible for people to look within at least 5 years of their current age.
I totally had friends in middle school who could pass for 18+. Not a ton of them, but some. It helps to be tall.