I don’t make stuff up. And, Dan, please. If you want to be taken seriously, you simply must quit using Prince-inspired spelling rules. It makes u look 2 silly for wordz.
Umm, pundit; “enuf”, “tho” and such like date from some 100 yearr ago, or more, during one of the many attempts at “cleaning up” english spelling. “Tho” dates back some hundreds of years, and is accepted by Oxford as a “var.”, altho I will admit that “enuf” is a “colloq.” They are not, then misspellings so much as 'eccentricities"- altho mind you I do have more than my share of typos.
However, show me where a vote was tossed out simply because it had no postmark. If they had no postmark, they were accepted- if they had a dated signature.
Milo: and this then is GORES fault, why? The guy who filed the suit has nothing to do with Gore. The dude who bankrolled the suit is in no way a part of the Gore campaign team, altho he is a big Gore supporter, no surprise. And he “talked to one of Gores Attorneys”- so what? Hell, so has Bush. You can to, if you want to waste some hour on the phine. Show me where that Gore attorney, on orders from the Gore campaingn, advised either to file. Maybe he advised them NOT to file. And folks don’t 'advise" lawyers, lawyers advise others- unless the dude advised them how to clean their mouse balls.
I’d stepped out of these threads for a while, but since you specifically challenged me on fact, why, yes, as a matter of fact, I do have a cite: http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/12/07/latimes.blacks/index.html
Note the date. THere have been subsequent stories about it, but this was the first. The Justice Department has stated that they will investigate, as is the Civil Rights Bureau, IIRC.
Yes, it’s an allegation. But, in this case, the allegation was made to authorities and is being investigated. “The black lawmakers cataloged election situations they say impeded minority voters: unhelpful poll workers, confusing ballot directions, precinct changes, **roadblocks in front of polling places **and an abundance of older voting machines…in black neighborhoods” emphasis mine.
Since another thread just for this would get me lynched…
Wring, you have reminded me, and given me a place, to post this interesting bit of information: (bolding mine)
Here’s the link, the article is 4 pages long:
http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/12/04/voter_file/index.html
I’m sure the fact that Texas was involved was just a wacky coincidence, in the same wacky way that Bush’s brother is the governor of the state where this whole thing fell apart. Wacky coincidence after wacky coincidence! This election is rutning into a regular “Ripley’s Believe It or Not!” item, isn’t it?
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Yes it IS just an allegation, I’ll wait for the facts. Plus, one must consider the source. Jesse Jackson talking about picking cotton, 135 years after the Civil War, is absurd.
Dan, re the military votes, note that I said the Gore team ATTEMPTED to have these votes discounted. Most counties eventually acquiesced and counted them after pressure from various groups. However, my point remains that “Every Vote Must Count!” Gore came across as being very hypocratical*.
Re the postmark:
“Friday night, as the overseas absentee ballots were counted, Bush and Gore forces locked into another round of frenzied warfare–claims of recount fraud in the disputed counties and hard questions about 1,000 overseas ballots, most of them from members of the armed forces, ** that were rejected mainly because they had not been postmarked. ** Democrats had mounted a coordinated challenge against the military ballots because they would probably lean toward Bush.” -Eric Pooley, “Prime Time Battle,” Time Magazine, 11/27/2000, Vol. 156, No. 22.
(Emphasis mine.)
*Hypocratical being an accepted variation of the word “hypocritical” in some Lebanese villages.
Please look again. While Mr. Jackson was at a rally, the allegations came on the day of the election by voters in the districts. Police blockades around polling places are not a matter of “spin” they either happened or they didn’t. either way, it’d be a very easy thing to disprove.
THe other thing to note, please, is that these allegations were not simply made at a pulpit, to a microphone, to the reporters. They are complaints filed with the Justice Department.
Now, it may not mean anything to you, but anyone can make an allegation to a reporter, and it won’t necessiarily mean much. However, to file a complaint with an investigating agency, and to have the investigating agency start an investigation, well, there’s more substance to the words.
here’s some more:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/election_blackvote001203.html
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/dailynews/election_race001208.html
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/dailynews/election_blackvoters001129.html
I made the statement, you said it was frivolous and asked for cites, I’ve now linked several newsreports detailing that the allegations were made the day of the elections. Your stance now that I’ve substantiated my statement is “oh, well, I don’t believe it, I’ll wait til proof”. Fine by me. I’ve upheld my burden, you’re free to continue to ignore even the remotes possabilty that nasty stuff went on.
Sigh. Again, never did the “GORE TEAM” attempt to discredit any of the “military ballots”. Find one action of one official Gore Team member- one- that was in favor of discrediting these votes. And, yes, the ballots were initially discredited because of no postmarks- so they could then check them for signatures with dates. No vote was discredited simply because of lack of postmark. No “attempt” was made by any member of the official Gore team t discredit these votes. You have made a completely incorrect representaion of the facts- now back it up or back down.
Does the term “typo” mean anything to you?
Dan, first of all I’ve already proven that I don’t make stuff up, which is what you accused me of. If you choose not to believe that Gore’s team tried to suppress the military vote, despite evidence to the contrary, that’s your prerogative. I’d search for a reference to the infamous “5 page memo” by Gore’s team which outlined their strategy for challenging the military votes, but what would be the point? I mean, I’m arguing with a man who is trying to claim that “hypocracy” is a typo*.
Does the word “irony” mean anything to you?
*Hint: “A” is typed with your left hand; “I” is typed with your right.
Appeals court refuses to throw out 2,400 disputed military ballots. So the argument is now moot.
Wring,
Having read through your links, I still don’t see even allegations that any “nasty stuff” went on. Like what?
A polling place was moved?
Somebody’s name was misspelled?
People were confused?
Not having voting instructions in Creole?
Nasty stuff, indeed.
Check your dictionary.
The word for insincerity or double standard is “hypocrisy” (Greek hypo-, low; -crisy, belief).
If “hypocracy” were a word, it would mean “government by the low” (which isn’t far from your meaning anyway, really).
Let me help you out:
polling place was moved, and the voter states she wasn’t notified, so when she went to vote, no one was there, no way to determine the correct place to vote, so she couldn’t vote.
Some one’s name was misspelled - and the voter, legally registered and at the correct place was not allowed to vote.
People were confused, asked the poll workers for help (as is their job), help was refused.
Voting instructions not in another language (same as asking for help)
You missed the big one - the police check points in front of the polling places demanding positive proof of ID.
And, that some minority voters were asked to provide more ID than other voters. Remember the “equal protection” clause???
But, your guy has been declared the winner of this. We shall see how vigorously the Dept of Civil Rights and Dept of Justice look into these charges (the investigations have begun).
Ladies and gentlemen, Elvis has left the building.
From everything I’ve read, “the big one” amounted to nothing more than a routine driver check point two miles from the nearest polling place. Can you link up to any evidence that shows otherwise?
Where’s your link to say that it was two miles away? and “routine” driver check point??? on election day?
Routine for what? AFAIK, ain’t no such animal as a “routine” driver check point - now, there’s been some authorization for drunk driving check points, and for specific road blocks right after a crime, but I’ve never heard (would like to see your proof) that anywhere, police are allowed to set up a road block to simply check ID’s. As a matter of fact the SCOTUS just tossed out ‘routine’ drug sniffing in high crime neighborhoods.
Wring,
Does your response mean that you are unfamiliar with the case? If you have additional details please provide them. Here’s a start, from Reuters.