Allow me to refer you to this thread.
Any idea where Pence was? If Manchin or Flake had changed, then there would be no cloture. Why wasn’t he in the chair? The Constitution gives him one job and he failed. 
He’s a phone call away. They can hold the vote and wait for him if they need to. Tomorrow he’ll be in NYC (? I think), but if they need him, he can fly back to vote (or head back early if they know they only have 50, unsure what they have).
I find this kind of ignorance of how memory works really weird. Literally everyone alive (other than people with severe brain damage) has memories where they can remember every detail of something, but nothing around it. Me, for instance, I can remember the time my little brother asked me what a “booger” was, and I told him it “was when you shit out your nose” and my mother heard me say that.
I couldn’t tell you where I was when that conversation happened, or how old I was, or if anyone other than my mother and brother was there, but I remember every detail of that conversation up to the point of my mother’s shocked gasp.
I’m pretty sure every human alive has a bunch of those kinds of memories, including you. But your entire argument relies on your ignorance of your own memories, and how your own memory works.
Weird.
Also, people in America commonly wear their shoes inside, and this was especially common 35 years ago. How do you not know this?
I have a little more hope this morning, actually.
I never thought a cloture vote to move forward was in doubt. In fact, Murkowski’s “no” was a surprise – and a good one.
Collins is in the tightest spot of all the remaining unknowns. She has a wolf by the ear. She badly wants to vote for Kavanaugh, but she’ll lose to a Dem in 2020 if she does. OTOH, she could lose to a primary challenger if she votes no. I expect her to announce a yes vote this afternoon. She’s toast either way, but she’s slightly less toasty if she votes yes.
Manchin will be the last guy to vote one way or the other. When he sees how the others have gone, he’ll make his choice. If Republicans get Flake, then Manchin is a no. If Flake goes rogue, then Manchin is a yes. No way Manchin is the guy to get Kavanaugh over the finish line.
So it’s down to Flake. He wobbles back and forth, but I think he’ll pull a McCain. He’s got a finger in the wind and he can see that Trump Republicans will not be in favor after the mid-terms. He wants a conservative judge, but not this conservative judge. Like McCain before him, I think he’s going to provide cover for others who aren’t that comfortable with Kavanaugh, and he will kill this nomination.
Sure, he’ll be out of favor with Republicans… but why is he not running for Senate again? Oh, right – he’s already out of favor with Republicans. May as well make it count.
Why would it be “out of place” if an assault happened while she was wearing shoes?
Yeah, I doubt that. The details you point out are just you demonstrating your ignorance about:
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[li]How memory works[/li][li]That people in America in the 80s typically wore their shoes inside[/li][li]That lots of houses in in middle-class and lower neighborhoods in the 80’s didn’t have first floor bathrooms[/li][li]That lots of people don’t tell their parents about sexual assault[/li][li]That people in 1982 didn’t have cellphones[/li][li]How fear of flying works[/li][/ul]
Why do you think she wants to vote for the S.O.B.? I think she would love to toss him out on his ass, but has to consider the interests of her party. Personally, I think she’d love to vote against him, but fears repercussions. (spineless politicians are a dime a dozen)
Yeah, but Brett Kavanaugh parts his hair in a way that is known to be associated with rapists and sociopaths. Why didn’t your analysis include this fact?
…and people who have fights on boats in Rhode Island…
My memory may be wrong/incomplete, but I associate McConnell with the freely stated goal of opposing EVERYTHING Obama supported, and the refusal to allow the Garland nomination to reach the floor.
IMO, those actions are FAR from bland and run-of-the-mill for folk of EITHER party. Yes, there have been questionable actions by both Dems and Repubs. But IMO, this extreme partisanship, rejecting any pretense at cooperative governing, is especially reprehensible. Not sure I’d use the word evil, but certainly not run-of-the-mill. Tho - it might seem as tho such actions may be becoming more common by both sides - which I consider extremely unfortunate for our country and the governed.
Practically, I guess I can understand a fear that some new development will occur that will further delay the vote. And I guess they want to seat him as quickly as possible for this fall’s docket. But it impresses me as pretty clear that the Repubs are pretty committed to ramming through a candidate who has some apparent serious baggage. They have the votes to do so (with some assistance from ostensible Dems.) So it just seems a tad unseemly to press forward over the weekend, depending on people to possibly miss a wedding, a possible Sunday vote. I guess there is an art to doing ugly things in a manner that doesn’t APPEAR so ugly. But the Repubs don’t impress me as caring about that.
I guess I yearn for a time in the past where at least occasionally grownup representatives got together to govern. And in the event one party have the power to just run roughshod over the other, I prefer when they not exert their power in an unnecessarily insulting manner. What a fool I am! Think I’ll go out back and pull some weeds…
Flake says he’s a YES.
Another thing about split-levels (which were awfully common in the older 'burbs in the DC area) is that there’s no under-the-stairway space on the main floor to put that half-bath that you could squeeze into such a space in a non-split-level with two or more floors. So if you’re renovating and you want that half-bath on the main floor, you’ve got to take it out of some other room. Not always easy.
Remember when Republicans used to pretend to care about things being “rammed down Americans’ throats”? These days they’re completely ram-happy.
And in doing so lost whatever was left of his reputation as a decent person.
He talks a good game, but talk is easy.
Which of course was always based a lot more on his words than his votes.
Disappointing, of course, but terribly unsurprising.
She thought, or said she thought, that the accusation was going to be anonymous, and she would not have to fill in any of the holes. And/or that’s how she remembered it.
Although Steophan has a point - the fact that virtually none of the verifiable details are confirmed by anyone does not mean she is more believable. And there aren’t that many details that are verifiable.
Originally, what she said was that she was attacked sometime in the summer of 1982, or maybe a year earlier or later, at a house she can’t identify. The only things she is sure about are
[ul][li]The house had an upstairs[/li][li]Kavanaugh attacked her[/li][li]Judge was in the room[/li][li]There were two other people at the party, which she named[/li][li]She only had one beer.[/ul]In proof of which, she says she told her therapist about it in 2012. Her therapist says she claimed four attackers, not two, and doesn’t mention either Kavanaugh or Judge, nor any specifics of time or location. None of the others she says were there back up her story. And Kavanaugh sometimes got drunk in college and put potty humor in his yearbook.[/li]
It would be extremely difficult to come up with verifiable details in any case - it was thirty six years ago. If she made up a story and put in verifiable details, she runs the same risk as she did telling the story as she did - nobody will confirm them.
Regards,
Shodan
I disagree. I think getting the FBI to interview, even a few key people, was more helpful than not doing that at all. That’s all he asked for, he got it.
With that said, there’s still a whole day…this is Flake.
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