http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/936_0_15_0_C34/
Interesting page, ZAMB - a little bit of conclusion jumping at times, but definitely interesting.
Wait a second…the Pentagon hates America, or the Pentagon is unpatriotic?
I’m so confused…
-Joe
Oh you’ve GOT to be fucking kidding me. A couple of Isalamo-fascist “political parties” in fucking Pakistan allegedly come up with a plan where bin Laden will supposedly come to Pakistan and be “held” under “house arrest” and put on “trial” “within the framework of Islamic shar’ia law” for his “alleged crimes,” to which bin Laden supposedly agrees, and for this horseshit the U.S. is supposed to call off destroying heaven and earth to kill the motherfucker?
Fuck that. Osama’s head on a fucking platter at sunrise tomorrow or heaven and earth and Pakistan can kiss their sorry asses goodbye. Unless Bush is still president, in which case a couple of shiny pebbles may suffice to . . . ooh, pretty!
IIRC, wasn’t one of those efforts after the first Gulf War? Something about George Bush Sr. promising to support the rebels with airstrikes and whatnot if they’d just throw off the chians that Saddam had bound them with, or somesuch. And they did then uprose, and Messrs. Bush and Powell just sat on their thumbs while Saddam mowed them down and dumped them into mass graves.
Something like that, anyway. I probably lost some of the details from all the Republican conventiongoers in September telling me how the Iraqis would greet us as liberators, or somesuch.
OK, suppose January comes and we have Iraqi elections…and then the new president is blown to bits by a massive car bomb? What then? What does the American president tell the parents of all of those dead marines? Your son died for nothing?
Really, we are getting in deeper and deeper…and there is no sign that things will get better. Suppose we were to change policy and announce to the Shiites and Sunnis (through their imams, mullahs or whatever): “Here, blow yourselves to bits, if that is what you want. WE (the Americans) are going to withdraw-leave us alone, and we willl leave you to slaughter each other in whatever way pleases you” Maybe that’s the only thing to do. :smack:
I wouldn’t dream of taking away any of your righteous ire at the recent actions of the United States, especially as I share many of them. But if I could offer one note of caution…
While I agree with your sentiments, you must keep in mind one thing - only 51% of my home nation elected Bush. He does not have a ‘mandate’ no matter that he claims one, but only a simple majority and a slight one at that, and is nowhere near as powerful as he and his handlers think he is.
Please don’t forget, in your condemnation of all things American, that some of us agree with you on many issues and tried like hell to get rid of this clown. We failed, but we can still talk of how to make things better in the world at large because many of us really do care, deeply, about doing just that.
Don’t minimalize us or our voice, or the world is really in trouble.
And you can’t do a damn thing.
Aldebaran, you’re so biased towards the Bush Administration and Americans in general you’ve lost whatever credibility you have on the subject. Give it up.
If that’s how people biased towards the Bush Administration feel these days, impeachment should be just around the corner! 
Levity aside, there is one significant inaccuracy in what Aldebaran said, and that’s the “re-” in front of “elected”.
Hehehe. Good one, thanks for proving my point exactly
I wish that, for once, we could have a president who was honest enough to say, “Yeah, I fucked up and your sons died for nothing because of it.” Instead, be it Vietnam or Iraq, we have to keep digging in deeper and killing more people because to admit defeat wouldn’t be manly.
Sometimes the only way is to let people hit rock bottom on their own. It is sad that a lot of people may have to die while it happens. On the other hand, the US has to understand that there are worse things than Iraq breaking up into several nations based on ethnicity and religion.
Do you ever wish you could knock entire nations upside the head and tell them to grow up? 
Saddam was paying money to the family of suicide bombers, as I recall.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml
I did that intentionally. Wouldn’t want to upset the Bush worshippers.
Salaam. A
Um, you realize the discussion was about what Iraqis could have done to get rid of Saddam?
Are you going to respond to my post or is this just another thread for you to bash Bush and the U.S.A?
Which post?
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or is this just another thread for you to bash Bush and the U.S.A?
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Can explain - and place your use of - the word “bash” (which has no clear meaning to me to begin with) in relation with
a) Bush
b) USA
c) in the context of this thread
d) and more specific in relation to my posts.
Salaam. A
Post #34 in this thread.
Bash in this context means insult
a) "Bush however was by the time already feeling far too good in his role of Fearless War Leader. Who would have told him to take that map map with little tin soldiers and little bombers from his desk because war is not like in chiildren games when it goes for real? "
b) “The USA really thought that once they were there, the rest of the world would gladly take over and do the imperialistic job for them.”
You mean you told him that considering war as if you talk about a spoiled child’s game was not the way to think about it?
Maybe it was you also who invented the childish lines like there are :
“shock and awe”
“you ain’t seen nothing yet”
“Saddam tried to kill my daaaad”
“bring it on”
etc…
Truth is an insult to you? Oh well, only your problem it is.
Afghanistan is at the centre of access to and transport of Central Asia/ Caspian Sea Oil & Gaz exploitation via pipelines thought out to be able to avoid a transport via Iran . Which was slighty upsetting Iran and also not to forget: Russia. (and at a certain moment in the saga Iran was even considered as an acceptable route by USA)
Since you seem to know nothing about the subjects, very long posts are necessary to give you a bit of an insight. Not quite in line with the intentions of the OP.
Two quotes will give you an introducing idea of a very complicated web of intertwined and/or opposed economical and political interests and politics involving a range of nations and their interested pressure groups.
Note that at a certain stage on the way to get hold of these contracts, the USA ( UNOCAL as main player for the USA) saw no reason for not inviting the Taliban for a visit. The Taliban, playing out against eachother all those who wanted to have the deal, saw this as an occasion to get US recognition as legitimate government of Afghanistan.
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Did it escape you that the Russians were in Afghanistan and that the USA (together with the UK up to a certain point) armed and trained the mujaheddin militias to drive them out?
Read: the ones where bin Laden went to become some sort of sponsering hero, as the popular stoy goes, and who where later known under Taliban. (To keep it simple)
Do you have time to go to a library?
Salaam. A
I second that notion. Aldebaran who made you the be all and end all on the knowledge of the Bush administration and its policies? Get over your sense of self importance.
No, a pipeline through Iran would be the most practical solution. Iran already has pipelines that could be utilized. The USA dropped its objections to the Iran pipeline after the Taleban took over Afghanistan. The only reason an pipeline through Afghanistan is proposed is due to the current political situation in Iran.
They started negotiating with the Taleban after it had taken over the entire country. The pipeline had been in the works for a few years already. Not to mention that UNOCAL pulled out of the project less than a year after the Taleban gained control of Afghanistan.
I don’t recall the Russians ever being in Afghanistan. I distinctly remember the Soviets being in Afghanistan. Russia is two countries removed from Afghanistan and I highly doubt they will threaten Afghanistan anytime soon.
This is all ignoring the fact that the pipeline we are talking about will benifit SE Asia the most. In fact China is proposing building their own pipeline. We have military bases in stable countries already. Why would we need or want a base in an unstable country? All the invasion of Afghanistan gives us is an ongoing military commitment.