Can someone explain the allure of Pogo?

Maybe it’s just that it was before my time (not much), but I’ve never understood the near-universal adulation for the comic strip “Pogo.” I’ve read a few of the strips and I always end up stopping because I get annoyed by all the stupid dialect, and because I have yet to read one that I thought was funny.

I know a lot of people love this strip. Maybe somebody can explain to me what the big deal is about it. Show me strips that are examples of the best of Pogo, if they’re online. Please, though, not that “Deck the halls with Boston Charlie” thing, because that’s my number one offender.

I don’t really see the allure of Krazy Kat, either, but that’s a topic for another day (and at least it has the excuse of being really old).

I’m seriously not trying to insult anyone’s comic preference here–I know I’m the outlier for not liking Pogo. But I’m willing to have my ignorance fought.

These were ground-breaking comic strips during their heyday. Satire and subversion weren’t generally entertainment themes. The world you live in has been greatly affected by these works though. You could look at the movie Animal House, and see a good comedy, but one that seems common by today’s standards. You have to remember it was the original, inspiring many imitations, and the Animal House genre that now seems commonplace.

As for Pogo, the humor is often subtle and folksy. It may not be your cup of tea.

So you’re saying that the reason I don’t like Pogo is the same reason I can’t stand “The Jackie Gleason Show,” but love “Hill Street Blues”? In other words, “you had to be there”? Jackie Gleason was way before my time and looks incredibly boring and schlocky to me, but I understand it was quite revolutionary for its time. Ditto Hill Street, but I saw that when it was new and fresh so I still like it.

That makes a lot of sense, actually. I love “Bloom County,” which I know a lot of younger people consider to be boring. I’m guessing it’s a similar deal.

I generally agree with you, Info, about Pogo, Krazy Kat, and Jackie Gleason. But occasionally I’ll run across a Pogo strip that I really do like.
One problem is that looking at a brief set of strips doesn’t give you a representative sample. The ones I’ve fou nd funniest are those in which the satire is pretty obvious. The ones I like best are the ones where the humor isn’t great, but something profound is couched in the strip. But I’m indifferent to about 80% of the strips.

(Krazy Kat was supposed to be groundbreaking in its surrealism. In the years since we’ve had tons of surrealism from Berkely Breathed’s strips, Zippy the Pinhead, and others, so it’s easy to go “So What?” But back in the day, it was something completely fresh and different.

We had Pogo collections at home, but I was a bit young to understand the satire. However, I loved this:

I’d like to get a good collection & study up.

Krazy Kat was far before my time but I love the strip. If you don’t, I can’t help you. It’s not a matter of topicality, but of weird humor….

Do you like Doonesbury? Pogo was a forerunner. Unlike many comics of the time, Walt Kelly used topical news items and wove political satire into the strip. It was more intellectual than, say, Blondie, or even (Og forbid!) Peanuts.

The low, slapstick elements of the background contrasted with the serious topics approached. He satirized Joe McCarthy, Nikita Khrushchev, Richard Nixon, LBJ, JFK, the John Birch Society, Communists, Communist & witch hunters in general, sputnik, know-it-alls (Howland Owl) and many more. Hypocrisy was a target, whether from the left or right political spectrum.

“We have met the enemy and he is us.” A limited edition lithograph of this famous 1971 Earth Day poster, signed by Walt’s widow, Selby Kelly, is on my wall as we speak. (#362/750)

It’s whimsical and it plays around with language.

For the record, I like “Pogo” and dislike “Krazy Kat”.

I do not, so there’s that. :slight_smile:

Now, see, “Bloom County” did the same thing, and I loved that. “Doonesbury” always seemed too impressed with itself and smug to me, while “Bloom” was whimsical and nutty and subversive. I guess “Pogo” must be too, but…I don’t know. I know part of what I disliked about it is the speech styles/dialects. I’m not a fan of written dialect for the most part, especially when it’s overdone.

I do like that quote.

Also, I’m wondering if the whole “Boston Charlie” thing might have gone right over my head. Was it referring to a specific person/incident/prevailing news climate? Because all that ‘holler waller cauliflower’ stuff just sounds dumb to me.

“Boston Charlie” is a silly, silly play on words!

AFAIK, it’s nothing but wordplay. It’s making fun of serious holiday songs, which have been overdone for longer than either of us can remember.

I hear Boston Charlie and I think of this song. Wonder if they are related or if it’s just a coincidence.

I always suspected it was satirizing “Deck the Halls,” which probably made sense 300 years ago but not so much now. Who speaks of “decking” something? How do you “troll” a carol? And what the heck is “merry measure?” “Boston Charlie” hardly makes less sense.

You may know this already, but in the Pogo strips, there was generally a storyline (albeit typically a very meandering one) that would last for maybe a few dozen strips. So while each strip typically had some sort of punchline, it would be hard to make much sense of it without knowing the backstory.

Other than that… I think Pogo had excellent artwork (at least until Kelly’s final illness, during which the art became minimalistic), characterization, wordplay, and insight into various aspects of humanity.

I’ve read a little bit of Pogo online, and given space and money, I’d rather like to get the collections. It feels almost exactly like Bloom County–just a little bit folksier, I suppose, and Bloom County/Outland/even Opus is my all-time favorite newspaper comic.

I always liked the wisdom that was occasionally portrayed in the silly comments.

“We have met the enemy and he is us.”

“Looks like Friday the 13th come on a Tuesday this month.”

If people don’t already know, the first volume of the long-announced (four years!) reprinting of the complete Pogo strips finally appeared literally this week. I’ll be getting it, although I have all the Pogo books already (in first editions). At least the Sunday strips will be properly in color this time.

Pogo is older than I am, so I came to them after the fact rather than as daily comics. I found the collections and became hooked.

As others have said, Pogo can’t be thought of as a daily laugh. The strips form long, rambling stories that are about the characters and their antics, not punchlines. Reading a single strip is like reading a single sentence from a book. Even if the sentence is a good one, you get zero flavor of the characters, the plot, or the value of the book as a whole. Reading Pogo needs to be total immersion. You have to figure out who the characters are, what human foibles they represent, what their relations are to one another, their pasts, their purposes. Just like any novel. Some knowledge of the politics and culture of the 50s is mandatory. Kelly was a political commentator, and Garry Trudeau is the best modern equivalent. You have to keep up with current events to get Doonesbury and if you don’t you lose a lot of the humor. Same with Kelly. This is a huge hurdle for most people. I’ve done a lot of reading about the 50s but I’m sure I’m missing huge amounts.

That’s not to say that Kelly was all political satire. Like Trudeau, he alternated politics with social satire and fun with his characters’ weaknesses. In some ways this new series is a good place to start. There will be very little political commentary in it. You can learn the characters and see them develop. The dialect can be offputting, but it’s not standard dialect humor. Kelly’s dialog was wordplay, with no attempt to be faithful to any real-world speech. It’s pure nonsense, and pure nonsense is timeless. And I guarantee you can skip all the songs and poetry and miss nothing. Don’t worry about Boston Charlie. He’s playing with sounds, not meaning. If it doesn’t work for you, just skip on to the next page. Even though people love the songs, for me they’re the least part of his work.

I will admit that if you don’t like Doonesbury you probably won’t like Pogo. They both have enormous casts of character, are totally contemporary, hate punchlines, and dive into their own insides a bit too often. If you do like Doonesbury, then Pogo will be a revelation. All the brilliance with richer language and art and targets even more despicable. Kelly is a much better artist and his world has backgrounds viewable for themselves with tiny details that come alive after several viewings. And he’s working at a slower pace that gives him more room to stretch his vocabulary, in several senses of that term. Both are in the top tier of all comic strips. They’re both truly great.

This is about all that I ever got out of Pogo, and it was Kelly’s most famous line, meaning we are tripping on our own dicks.

Pogo got away from the usual “setup and punch line” comic strip format. There was no boffo laugh at the end, but one or two small but amusing jokes in every panel. There is more going on in a single Pogo panel than in two or three days worth of most strips. Like Krazy Kat, you can’t see it all in a single reading and more came out every time you retread it.

A Pogo index:

http://skunkworks.ru/?p=14
Pogo fan here, and yeah, you need a lot of background of many kinds to catch all that’s going on in there. An annotated Pogo (WikiPogia?) is needed.

ETA: It’s not just dialect; it’s the entire rural Southern popular culture of a bygone era.
Teensy example of the challenges faced by readers of older material:

The “skunkworks” of the above domain name comes from another cartoon of the era, “Li’l Abner”(with, again, a rural Southern setting, a large cast, and extended story lines). The name was later attached to Lockheed Aircraft’s top-secret Los Angeles R & D facility. I’m omitting a paragraph or so of backstory for each of those sentences.

Now do that for every panel … :eek:

Drowning in our own garbage would be a better interpretation, or perhaps that’s what you meant?

The Earth Day poster.

Walt Kelly has fans in Russia?