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If he didn’t actually commit the rape, I’m sure whatever he did was bad enough.
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Son, take a few lessons in kowtowing to Angry Studies professors and there could be a bright future for you in university administration.
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady]
There was a case in the news recently in Atlanta where a man was released (through the assistance of The Innocence Project) after serving 25 years for a rape he didn’t commit. I think the State of Georgia will end up giving him several million dollars.
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Yes I’ve heard of cases like that but do they ever go back and re-investigate the case to see why the person was convicted? Every case can’t be mistaken identity. There have to be some cases where witnesses lied or a prosecutor or police withheld evidence.
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Son, take a few lessons in kowtowing to Angry Studies professors and there could be a bright future for you in university administration.
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“Angry Studies”…oh, that’s going in the quote book. I love it!
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal]
Nifong apologizes. Sorta. Kinda. But rather weakly, and with mondo caveats.
A much better, unqualified, apology.
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I like the ESPN guy’s parallel to the Imus issue. What Imus did is mere child’s play compared to what Mangum and Nifong did to the Duke lacrosse players.
Let’s try that again.
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal]
Nifong apologizes. Sorta. Kinda. But rather weakly, and with mondo caveats.
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“To the extent that I made judgments that ultimately proved to be incorrect, I apologize to the three students that were wrongly accused.”
Nice. :rolleyes:
I admit I have tons of respect for the Attorney General. Rather than say “Due to lack of evidence, the charges have been dropped” or some such, the AG stated unequivocally that the LAX players were “innocent”.
“…based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges.” Cooper stated that his own investigation “led us to the conclusion that no attack occurred.”
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal]
A much better, unqualified, apology.
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I like the ESPN guy’s parallel to the Imus issue. What Imus did is mere child’s play compared to what Mangum and Nifong did to the Duke lacrosse players.
Will Mangum apologize?
Heck, will Jesse Jackson and the New Black Panthers apologize?
[QUOTE=HubZilla]
I like the ESPN guy’s parallel to the Imus issue. What Imus did is mere child’s play compared to what Mangum and Nifong did to the Duke lacrosse players.
Will Mangum apologize?
Heck, will Jesse Jackson and the New Black Panthers apologize?
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Ah Hub, better go back and look at that ESPN page again
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[QUOTE=brickbacon]
So should we not trust any white women who accuse black men of rape in the absence of certain types of evidence? There is no irony in my post. Yes, it sucks, people will get screwed, but in a court of law, the accuser word, is evidence, and sometimes it is the only evidence. We should not devalue the importance of this.
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Absent any corroborating evidence, we certainly shouldn’t trust them to the point where we ruin somebody’s life. “People will get screwed” is a pretty glib attitude.
[QUOTE=Rick]
Ah Hub, better go back and look at that ESPN page again
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Thanks for the link, I sent a quick email to Jemele Hill thanking her for her public honesty. She rocks!
w.
[QUOTE=brickbacon]
What the hell are you talking about? You have a right to confront your accuser during a trial. These kids never went to trial. Your rambling aside, this has nothing to do with the discussion.
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I guess I was unclear by what you meant by “undue scrutiny”. By the way, I was polite to you even though this was the Pit, but since you feel like being an asshole, go ahead and fuck off.
Marc
[QUOTE=HubZilla]
I like the ESPN guy’s parallel to the Imus issue. What Imus did is mere child’s play compared to what Mangum and Nifong did to the Duke lacrosse players.
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You might be thinking of Jason Whitlock, who no longer works for ESPN.
[QUOTE=Rick]
Ah Hub, better go back and look at that ESPN page again
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Rick, please refer to our FAQ - Rules for Posting at the Straight Dope Message Boards which states:
Do not do this again. The relevant information has been removed. Members are free to research this information for themselves, but do not post such information for them or encourage them to take actions (including letter writing) on behalf of a point or cause.
I know if I was convicted of a previous crime under this DA, I would be calling for my immediate release, or at least a review of my case.
The three lads were wronged, no doubt, but their lives would not have been ruined even if you had videotape of them gang raping the chick. They are privileged, and their society would not allow them to be ruined in the same way as a regular person. They would still get into med school, still become doctors, etc. Is William Kennedy Smith ruined? Until he was jailed, was Michael Skakel ruined?
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Rick, please refer to our FAQ - Rules for Posting at the Straight Dope Message Boards which states:
Do not do this again. The relevant information has been removed. Members are free to research this information for themselves, but do not post such information for them or encourage them to take actions (including letter writing) on behalf of a point or cause.
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That wasn’t a call to action. That was the name of the writer for ESPN’s Page 2, that also happened to have her email address.
Yeesh.
I guess “go fuck yourself with Paris Hilton’s mascara brush” is out, then.
Regards,
Shodan
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That wasn’t a call to action. That was the name of the writer for ESPN’s Page 2, that also happened to have her email address.
Yeesh.
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So, what was the purpose of having an email address listed, if not for the purposes of contacting someone (as indeed was done)?
I realize the response was positive, but notwithstanding, if users would like to contact an individual regarding the topic of a thread, they should look for themselves. Posting contact information in these cases is not allowed.
Fluiddruid Rather than de-railing this train wreck any further, perhaps you would be so kind as to step over here.
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I know if I was convicted of a previous crime under this DA, I would be calling for my immediate release, or at least a review of my case.
The three lads were wronged, no doubt, but their lives would not have been ruined even if you had videotape of them gang raping the chick. They are privileged, and their society would not allow them to be ruined in the same way as a regular person. They would still get into med school, still become doctors, etc. Is William Kennedy Smith ruined? Until he was jailed, was Michael Skakel ruined?
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Wait, are you high? If a video existed of them gang raping the chick, they’d go to jail for 20 years. That’ll ruin your life all right.
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So, what was the purpose of having an email address listed, if not for the purposes of contacting someone (as indeed was done)?
I realize the response was positive, but notwithstanding, if users would like to contact an individual regarding the topic of a thread, they should look for themselves. Posting contact information in these cases is not allowed.
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I assume he just cut-and-pasted the bottom line from ESPN. ONE PERSON said that he decided to email the writer. Big deal. At the very least, you could have kept the columnist’s freaking name, as that was the ONLY point of that post.
[QUOTE=Lemur866]
Wait, are you high? If a video existed of them gang raping the chick, they’d go to jail for 20 years. That’ll ruin your life all right.
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Not automatically in the case- we have a stripper who will be called a prostitute and the attorney will destroy her credibility- cf the DA’s proposed witness credibility attack in the Kobe Bryant case. That was enough to scare the girl into not testifying. Add to that a victim who based on all accounts in not credible in general- any decent lawyer would tear her apart. They would say she was a willing participant, and on and on, planting reasonable doubt. They might get a lesser charge at most, a year or two, and be hailed as victims in their world when they get out.