Can you re-create old-time technology?

This is kind of a thought experiment to see what we as a group really know about how it was done in the old days.

Think of a tool used in earlier times (anything from Paleolithic to the pre-Industrial era). Considering what you know about those times and what you know about chemistry, carpentry or any other relevant subject, could you make one? Could you make a sword? A plow? Do you have any idea how to thresh grain or mill it into flour? How would you go about making butter? Assuming you had a sheep ready to shear, how far could you get in making a nice woolen blanket? How do you make beer or wine? Can you salt or dry your meat?

Pick a goal. Tell us your thought process, what you would try to do to achieve your goal. Once you’ve described it to us, go back to the magic of the internet and try to find a “how to” page and see how close you came.
I’ll go first: I’d like to try to make soap.

What I know: soap is a combination of lye and fat. So the first thing is to figure out how to get lye.

  1. I seem to recall that you can get lye from wood ash. I remember seeing an illustration of some contraption designed to get lye from ashes by weighting the ash and letting it drip. That doesn’t make a lot of sense, since I don’t know where the liquid comes from, but this is what I’ll try:

I scoop some ashes from the fireplace and put them in a bucket. I’ll pour water in the bucket, enough to wet the ash down, let it sit overnight, then tip the ash bucket on its side and put a brick on top of the wet ash. I test what drips out of the bucket by dipping my finger in it. If I burn my finger, Huzzah! I’ve got lye.

  1. The fat is easier to get. I’ll go to the grocery store and get pork lard. If I can’t find any, I’ll use bacon. I suppose I could also use butter or olive oil. I don’t know what magic turns fat plus lye into soap, but I’ll assume basic chemistry and apply heat. I take whatever fat source I have and heat it on a double boiler until it turns liquid. Then I add my “lye” in equal parts and stir. Stir frequently for fifteen minutes, then let sit to cool. If I’m successful, I’ve got some sort of smelly soap. If not, I’ve got a lump of dirty fat.

With my next post I’ll tell you how successful google thinks I was. Feel free to comment on mine or try your own.

One request: please don’t pick a skill you already have. If you know how to make beer, don’t tell us how to make beer. Try weaving a basket instead.

Well, judging by my internet search, I think my soap-making results would be: lump of dirty fat. Although, strange to say, according to this site that lump of fat might actually be useful for doing dishes.

Anyone else want to give it a try?

Well, before you can do anything, you’d probably need a knife for cutting/shaping/scraping etc. OK, this requires one to be able to knap stones (basically breaking off usable sharp sections of stone). Flint is a popular stone base for this, and I suppose the chips can be used to start fire.
I would have some problem finding suitable stones, especially around urban/suburban areas like I live in. Also apparently there is some trick or knack to hitting the stone to be fractured up with a regular round stone, and I am not sure how difficult that is to master (clearly many of our ancestors over the millenia did, without written instructions of course). So the key is finding the right stones (flint), and banging away with another stone (well, making sure to fracture the parent stone to produce usable, slender, sharp edges suitable for cutting).

OK, there’s serveral series on YouTube about this topic, here’s the 1st part of one How to Make Flaked Stone Tools #1. It’s kind of what I thought, except I don’t know how long it would take me to learn how to identify the raw material in it’s natural state, nor how long to get the knack of breaking off usable rock flakes (as opposed to making piles of useless chips, which I can readily do…

Nope. I’ll be dead weight come the apocalypse.

No

No

This I can do. Not only do I know how to harvest and thresh a couple varieties of grain, I also know how to construct a tool with which to grind it. I also know how to get a sourdough starter going, which will be useful if you want bread.

100% fresh, homogenized milk. Allow the cream to separate. Put cream in a closed container and shake much longer than you think you need to. Voila, butter. I’ve actually done this on occasion, quite a bit of work.

Haven’t sheared the sheep, but I’ve done everything else - clean the wool, card it, spin it, dye it, weave it. Or knit or crochet it. Or make felt. I also have made my own vegetable dyes.

Kinda a know in theory, don’t think I can pull this one off.

Yep

Rainwater. The ideal was to use rainwater. You take a wooden bucket, fill it up with woodash, and put on something like a stool or rock or whatever. Drill a hole near the base of the bucket, and put another wooden bucket underneath it. Make a small depression in the woodash and pour rainwater into it. Let it soak through and let the liquid run into the lower bucket. That’s what you use to make the base/caustic half.

For the fat, melt it first in a pan and add a slice of potato. When the fat is melted take it off the fire and carefully add as much water as you have fat. Let cool. Clarified fat will rise to the top and form a crust. Use that for your fat, it’s much cleaner and smells better (may not smell at all, in fact). Traditionally all sorts of animal were used. I one bought some soap made from bear fat, of all thing

For starters, the guy in the video seems to but using obsidian, not flint. Obsidian is basically a natural form of glass, which will make pretty sharp edges even if you bust it up by accident. Our distant ancestors may not have had written directions, but I assume they had the benefit of learning from people who already knew how to do this.

Shouldn’t that be unhomogenized?

Theoretically, I know how to smelt iron ore like they did it in Scandinavia a thousand years ago, involving digging a chamber in the earth at the bottom of a vertical shaft, with another shaft to force in air with a bellows, a peat fire and a sort of filter made of straw – okay, forget it, the diagram in my head can’t be right. Man, those people were geniuses.

The Joy of Cooking has instructions for making numerous kitchen staples, such as butter, cheese, pickles, and other things you wouldn’t think of. (Actually, the only product I’ve seen it specifically refuse to provide instructions for is phyllo pastry. Their advice amounts to ‘this is fricking impossible to make so give up and buy the sumbitch.’)

:smack: Yes, UNhomogenized.

While we are mentioning books (and at risk of showing my age) - the Foxfirebooks are wonderful sources of this sort of information. The first book tells how to make soap. Any post-apocalyptic planning should include these books :wink:

Broomstick can I come live with you when the Apocalypse starts?

I was going to say nothing, but at long last I thought of something remarkably unspectacular that I could make. I’m aware of alcohol’s disinfectant properties, so just get me some cotton and I will make handy medical swabs. Now, how I would market them is a different story altogether…

I’ve done some basic metallurgy in the past and know the theory behind making a sword, balancing it and hefting it. Give me a forge, ample materials and a year’s worth of practice and yes, I could make a sword. It’d be stiff, one-edged and somewhat fragile, but hey – who’re you going to complain about me to when the apocalypse comes?

And I know the theory behind making composite bows, crossbows and numerous siege engines. Fletching can’t be that complicated to improvise, can it ? We’ll have a well defended village all right.

Much more important to our collective survival however, is my knowledge of how to make moonshine without a still - although it does require subzero weather and a dependable container. If we’ve got a glassblower or tinworker though, let me and him meet and we’ll have a still running in no time. And then we won’t *need *swords :).

I’m pretty good with fermentation. I can make damned good sauerkraut, kimchi and naturally picked vegetables. I can bake bread using wild sourdough yeasts. I’ve made mead and could no doubt make wines if I put my mind to it. I regularly make soft cheese and if I can find starter I can make yogurt. I know how to kill and butcher a live chicken. I know how to cook and even bake over an open fire. I know how to grind wheat using a rock. I know the basics of producing peanut oil and peanut butter. I can and regularly do cook complicated dishes like lasagna entirely from raw ingredients. So when the apocalypse comes, there will be good eating at my place.

Lets see. I know how to make a fake fridge using a large clay pot and water, or wet burlap sacks on frames. I know a bit about drying fruits, assuming I can get netting.

The Peace Corps has a disk they give us that is full of really old manuals from back in the day. One that sticks in my mind is “Basic Tool Construction.” This book assumes you have access to basically a nail and a stick. From there it teaches you how to make a growingly complicated array of basic tools. Though really, I feel sorry for the poor volunteer who lived in a village that didn’t even have basic tools! I also read the entire manual on how to make mud-brick buildings.

I’m one of the people who has actually used this information. There have been times in my life where I’ve needed to pasteurize my own milk. I was pretty surprised to see instructions in my ever-handy copy of Joy of Cooking.

I use lye all the time in tanning. Take two parts of clean wood ash (preferably from broadleaf trees, makes for a stronger product) and one part rainwater, stir and let settle. Voila, a basic liquid in the 13 pH range. Adjust as needed for a multitude of uses. (even a lye of this strength does not burn one’s finger - it merely dries the skin really quick).

About knapping rocks into usable tools - I have knapped app. 200 lbs. of rock for practise and can separate a usable, irregular flake out of many rocks pretty predictably. I can also re-sharpen the edge once it gets dull. But shaping a usable (ie. thin, pointy, sharp, symmetrical) arrow- or spearhead is way out of my league. Flintknapping has been likened to playing chess. I concur. It takes a tremendous amount of planning, foresight and precise execution to make real tools out of rock without using grinders and sanders. I know guys who have spent 20 years doing or thinking about little else than how to knap at the Late Paleolithic level. They’re getting there.

Everything I know about making soap (before reading this thread) came from the movie “Fight Club”.

So, I guess I would sacrafice some animals on a fire and wait for rain.

I’ve made bows and arrows, too - pretty crude ones, but no, fletching isn’t that difficult. If it was a survival issues I’d be motivated to make better. Crossbows are a little more complicated mechanically. Then again, I currently own one so reverse engineering is a possibility.

Um… yeah, I guess I may be slightly ahead of the heard when it comes to surviving the fall of civilization.

I’d have to go with Quisp’s request: can I stay with you Broomstick?

I’d be doooooooomed when the apocalypse comes around :frowning:

[Tom Hanks] I HAVE CREATED FIRE! [/Tom Hanks]

The bolded is what I would have issues with. I have been looking most of my life, and don’t believe I have ever found anything I recognise as an Ore I could use. No Iron meteorites, no Copper or tin flakes. I think i could construct a decent forge, But I don’t have the Geology knowledge to find anything do work with.